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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    Granted I've said that we didn't need an unstoppable D to win but we damn sure can't win with a historically **** one.

    Wholesale changes need to happen next year
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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    If we draft a top corner, I think you are counting your chickens thinking we will have him in a place he dominates, press man for instance.

    The Carlos cushion is well documented. What a wasted pick that turned out to be. Getting a good cover corner with size, playing off the LOS yet in cover 2, releasing the DeSean's of the league at full speed headed deep onto our FS, it will be an exercise in futility.

    Seeing the great corners of the league on ****ty teams or defenses, I think the scheme more dictates success or failure. Not adding 1 star.
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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    FA:
    Best/most affordable CB available (Sean Smith?)
    Solid safety like Byrd from Buffalo

    Maybe I take a look at Amedola, actually, though Morgan brings a lot of the same thing and Amedola isn't a good blocker.

    Draft:
    BPA with a lean towards RT
    BPA with a lean towards TE
    BPA
    BPA
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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    Quote Originally Posted by Widget_5 View Post
    I would have to disagree.

    It would be different if we needed a francise QB, but I think the guy we picked up in the draft this year, might be ok ;-)

    If this season has showed us anything so far, it's that it doesn't matter if you can score 30 points a game, if your defence is letting in 37!

    I know that the NFL has become more of a passing league, but I believe the odd adage applies, Offense wins game, Defense wins championships.
    Yeah. The 2001 Colts were the second scoring offense in the NFL and thirty first defense. They finished 6-10 that year despite putting up 413 points and averaging 25.8 points a game. Not to mention the only times "The Greatest Show On Turf" led Rams made it to any Superbowls was when they had a top tier defense. So yeah defense does matter.
    All the other D's with the pumped up schemes
    You better run, better run, outrun my QB
    All the other D's with the pumped up schemes
    You better run, better run, faster than RG3.

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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    Quote Originally Posted by KDawg View Post
    I'd actually say that we need a nose tackle more. Cofield has performed admirably, but he's very undersized to play that role in a 2-gap 3-4 system. He'd be a phenomenal fit at end, and he'd be allowed to play more of "his" game from that position. In fact, I think he'd be much more effective in that role. I think we need a proper nose more than anything if we stick with the 3-4.
    Ok but that move would come at a cost. Skins would have a lot of cap room tied up in their DEs Carriker, Cofield, Bowen + the 2nd round pick invested in Jenkins. One of the backups would have to be let go and a draft pick or free agent money allocated to the new NT. Let's say the NT comes at the cost of a draft pick or free agent money for CB. Would you make that choice or would you consider switching the two gap NT to a one-gap? Could Cofield succeed as a one-gap NT? Or, more importantly would the entire front perform better in the one-gap than it currently does as two gap? How much better does the new NT in a two gap have to be to justify losing a new CB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlayAction View Post
    Ok but that move would come at a cost. Skins would have a lot of cap room tied up in their DEs Carriker, Cofield, Bowen + the 2nd round pick invested in Jenkins. One of the backups would have to be let go and a draft pick or free agent money allocated to the new NT. Let's say the NT comes at the cost of a draft pick or free agent money for CB. Would you make that choice or would you consider switching the two gap NT to a one-gap? Could Cofield succeed as a one-gap NT? Or, more importantly would the entire front perform better in the one-gap than it currently does as two gap? How much better does the new NT in a two gap have to be to justify losing a new CB?
    It's not that simple. You'd need a coordinator who was good at running the 1-gap scheme to do that. Cofield could be fine in a 1-gap system, but our coordinator wouldn't be.

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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    With the Pittsburgh game as an example. Ignoring the defense is a terrible idea.
    How will our Offense score when we cant get the ball back for 10+ minutes at a time?
    We may have an amazing offense but other defense WILL be able to stop them from time to time due to mistake/penalties etc.
    But when our defense cant stop anything, our offense will be watching from the sidelines.

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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    I think OL and DB needs to be our focus. We may be able to get away with our receiving core if RGIII has time in the pocket. And we can have the need to score 30 pts a game to have an opportunity to win every week. Big plays given up by our secondary has killed us!

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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    Am I the only one who thinks that Polumbus has done a fantastic job?

    I actually completely disagree with your. My only offensive move by design this offseason would be resigning Morgan. Then, I would simply go BPA ALL DAY LONG with a very heavy focus on defense. I don't believe there is such a thing as a day one starting RT that day down in the draft and I don't believe that (1) he would be better than the best ILB or Corner at that same spot or (2) there are any other pressing offensive needs.

    I think we are set from LT to C and I like Chester's play AND our depth at RG. I think Polumbus has done a damn fine job and I don't think you can get good value on a replacement. I think a free agent would be way to pricey for the value of a RT and I think a draft pick would likely be a reach in the 2nd (though maybe not 3rd). Thus, I would take the best defensive player regardless of position until our 4th rounder, at which point I consider O-line depth and maybe RB depth, but even then I'm still learning heavily towards DB depth and LB depth if I have to players graded equally.

    I just don't think we need NEW pieces on offense, I think we just need to grow and mature as an offense. When I watch us play, I don't see a team with missing pieces. I see a team with both rooks and both bishops ready to battle, just not quite executing the same battle plan yet.

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    I think we're gonna blow a huge wad of cash on a safety, a corner, and possibly a nose tackle in FA. Then we will draft some depth guys on both sides of the ball.

    Our D desperately needs some playmakers. However, I think if Shanny sees a big target WR out there in the the early/middle rounds that he really likes, he will grab him.

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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    We don't need that much on offense. I would like to see one more very good WR, then work on the offensive line.. This will gives RG3 the time he needs to find the the open man.
    I would then spend some free agency money on the defense. London is good for one or two more years. Like you I believe that they will cut Hall at the end
    of the season..I have always believed that you should spend money on the team areas where you need the most help.

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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    Quote Originally Posted by Vilandil Tasardur View Post
    Am I the only one who thinks that Polumbus has done a fantastic job?
    I don't know about only one, but you're probably outnumbered.

    FordRanger76 had a very good thread going about pass blocking and run blocking of each of the lineman: http://www.extremeskins.com/showthre...tistics-Thread

    He had a year-to-date section at the top, and Polumbus was the only starter below 70% on pass blocking. He also was below 60% on run blocking, with a similar rating to Chris Chester.

    Year to Date Stats (through week 7)

    Pass Blocking
    Trent Williams 165/194 85.0%
    Kory Lichtensteiger 184/231 79.6%
    Will Montgomery 206/231 89.1%
    Chris Chester 181/231 78.3%
    Tyler Polumbus 161/231 69.6%
    Jordan Black 27/37 72.9%

    Run Blocking
    Trent Williams 151/185 81.6%
    Kory Lichtensteiger 139/210 66.1%
    Will Montgomery 149/210 70.9%
    Chris Chester 122/210 58.0%
    Tyler Polumbus 125/210 59.5%
    Jordan Black 12/25 48.0%
    Black, as we can see, is pretty terrible, so it's problematic that Polumbus is so close to him. Chester at the very least has respectable pass blocking stats.

    I will agree that an upgrade for next year would probably be costly, but it's a necessity, most of the pressure RGIII is seeing when it's a failure of the Oline is coming from Polumbus' side. The biggest names in FA are Clady, Albert, and Baker. Clady will be extremely costly, so I don't really disagree that we should avoid him, and Albert will probably come at a cost too. Baker might not be too cost prohibitive. As for in the draft, the two ZBS guys who would be an immediate upgrade are Jake Mathews and Oday Aboushi. Mathews, if he even declares, is a 1st round talent who we won't get a shot at. Aboushi however, is going to go somewhere in the 2nd or 3rd.

    It is dependent on how we address safety in the offseason, but Aboushi in the 2nd would improve the spot. Not necessarily hugely, but enough to help protect Griffin better, and his ceiling is much higher than Polumbus'.

    We need to address RT in some manner in the offseason. Whether that's with a FA signing, a 2nd or 3rd round pick of Aboushi, or of a later pick who will probably not see the field until 2014, Polumbus is not fit to be the starter long term. He was, after all, brought in as Brown's backup, and is now starting in his absence.

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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    We need skilled playmakers on both sides of the ball -- a #1 WR,and a #1 DB.

    Then, I would go for a solid physical FS followed by a talented SS. This can be addressed thru FA.

    OL and DL is where I would focus next. And, a young punter.

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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    I think its harder to go from good to great then from bad to good.

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    Default Re: Offense! Offense! Disregard the defense another year in 2013! Here's why!

    Quote Originally Posted by darrelgreenie View Post
    I think its harder to go from good to great then from bad to good.

    Then for the Redskins it should be easy, lol.
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