If Shanahan's given up, what hope do we really have with him? A pretty darn disappointed and disillusioned long time backer of the HC.

[Hunter_R]

Ticky tacky? You said Shananon hasn't done anything without Elway, but Shanny won a SB as OC without Elway and Elway has never won a playoff game without Shanny coaching him in one capacity or another. Your letting your hate blind you to the facts.

The meat and potatoes is that Shanahan has done nothing without Elway. You attacked something that had no bearing on that argument. Okay, Elway needed Shanahan to win anything. Now what? That's right. Shanahan still sucks without Elway.

[Long-Time-Fan]

So coach speaks up and tells the truth and you jump all over him?
Don't tell me you your self doesn't see the season as being over?

Another Knee Jerk Thread

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

The game today was awful. It was a humbling reminder of the kinds of losses that we seem to have on a yearly basis.

I am a big supporter of Shanahan. I still am. He has made some missteps, but I still think ultimately he will get it right. However, I don't agree with his press conference statements. But getting your butt kicked will make you say some crazy things. As exhibit "A", I offer you ES.

[#1HIT]

I just can't love Kyle Shanahan. He seems too afraid to run the ball enough.

Where is Hue Jackson so we can bring him back? What they ran in Oakland had potential to be effective.

I disagree with that bro if anything he ran the ball too much today especially in the goalline he was playing all these options and trick plays and being some what conservative. Good teams play agressive in the goalline and throw the ball especially when they have an elite qb

[KDawg]

So coach speaks up and tells the truth and you jump all over him?
Don't tell me you your self doesn't see the season as being over?

Another Knee Jerk Thread

The problem is the coach shouldn't see that as the truth. The coach should want to crawl forward with every bit of energy he has and fight and try to salvage this.

Instead, he sounds defeated. And that attitude WILL resonate.

The only hope is that the players say, "no, **** this. We're not going down without a fight". Which would either mean Shanahan is a master motivator or a total flop in everything he's done in DC.

[ColdnGrey]

So coach speaks up and tells the truth and you jump all over him?
Don't tell me you your self doesn't see the season as being over?

Another Knee Jerk Thread

Exactly. The season as far as competition is done. Better someone say that and put non contributors on notice.

[sempre_victrix]

Not taking sides one way or the other, but many people on this board we talking about the season being lost weeks ago because of our ****ty secondary. Suddenly, everyone wants to fire Shanahan.

Let's remember, our overall defense was lacking on talent. Now, Orakpo and Carriker are gone. Face it, we weren't that good when they were playing. The only decent player in the secondary is Hall, and he is average. Fletcher aged a lot this summer and should retire after the season. Throw in crap schemes and you have a recipe for disaster.

We have 2 decent receivers, Garcon and Moss, and only one of them has played any real time this year, and he's the aging one. Brown hasn't seen the field, and probably wont. Helu is out, Royster is weak. The salary cap debacle cost us at least 2, and as many as 3, starters. We also traded a second pick away to move up for RG3. Plus, we took Cousins in the 4th, meaning that we essentially gave up two high pics this year. That is a lot for 1 team to absorb in a year and be competitive.

Not saying Kyle's play calling is great, but until last week, it was scoring us some points. Either he lost his touch, or they have seen enough of us to have an idea what's coming.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

I read the first page of you whining and then replied. Did at some point on page 2 you realize how silly this thread was and ask that it be ignored?

If not, my point stands.

I see.

So apparently he's either above reproach for what comes out of his own mouth in your opinion. Or your reading comprehension really is that bad as I never suggested we blow the whole thing up.

So coach speaks up and tells the truth and you jump all over him?
Don't tell me you your self doesn't see the season as being over?

Another Knee Jerk Thread

What I think or say is irrelevant in the great scheme of things as I'm just a fan. What the HC of said team say's on the other hand is wholly relevant.

Sorry the difference and justifiable criticism there-in is apparently lost on you.

Hail.

[Taylor 36]

The meat and potatoes is that Shanahan has done nothing without Elway. You attacked something that had no bearing on that argument. Okay, Elway needed Shanahan to win anything. Now what? That's right. Shanahan still sucks without Elway.

I guess you just want to ignore the fact that Shanny has a SUPER BOWL ring without Elway and the Broncos???

[kingdaddy]

I read the first page of you whining and then replied. Did at some point on page 2 you realize how silly this thread was and ask that it be ignored?

If not, my point stands.

There's nothing wrong with this thread.....we need more rants instead of posts from people who are ok with the state of this team.....
Anypne who defends Shanahan today should be prepared for 5 -11 next year too.....why would we expect any different?
What you call a whine is what some of us call yhe truth......

[Hunter_R]

I guess you just want to ignore the fact that Shanny has a SUPER BOWL ring without Elway and the Broncos???

Was he the head coach? If the answer is no, I don't care. That should probably have been my response to the Elway stuff, too.

No even better. Let's just replace anytime I said, "John Elway" with, "a HoF QB."

[TD_washingtonredskins]

He's the HEAD COACH man. He can't be voicing that. He just can't.

You evaluate in the pre-season. You don't throw in the towel after 9 games and publicly announce your evaluating for future years.

That's a horrid message to put out there. Whether you believe it or not. Whether in reality the years over or not. You CAN'T publicly say such things. Totally unprofessional.

Hail.

That's the problem...the GM in him is rightfully tempted to look at the big picture while the head coach in him should believe his team can win 7 straight games. I don't think it's feasible to balance both jobs.

[RonArtest15]

So, are people mad at Shanahan for saying it...or because his words ring true?

[Momma There Goes That Man]

Where is this from the coaching staff? Nowhere to be found...

[zskins]

Emotionally: Yes never give up!
Logically: **** it! Every player on the team is on notice. Either you want to play or you don't. Either you want to be here next year for the playoff run or you don't.
Personally: It is a shame to have someone like RG3 and not do anything drastic to justify the price you paid to get him.