If Shanahan's given up, what hope do we really have with him? A pretty darn disappointed and disillusioned long time backer of the HC.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

i was screaming for them to let him throw the ball downfield...they only let him dropback when they are down.

I don't get it

[The Tris]

If you look at the roster he won with in 97', you'd see that most of those players were on the team in 94' under Wade Phillips. All Shanahan did was add Terrell Davis. Shanahan has never had to build a team from scratch, and yet we've entrusted him with all player acquisitions.

15 of the 22 starters on the 1997 Denver team were brought in under Mike Shanahan.

[peckerwood]

Head coaches NEVER have success with their second team.

All achieved some form of success with new teams. (Gibbs may have been with the same franchise but an obviously different team and even league)

[War Paint]

and the ****storm from that quote will be HUGE

He just opened up a huge can of worms in the heat of the moment

Look at article of nfl.com already smh

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ooking-to-2013

Yep, it's going to be discussed on Around the Horn and PTI tomorrow. Wow, this is going to be a long two weeks.

[Hunter_R]

In Kleese thread I said that despite the outcome for this season however distasteful Shanahan must come back for continuity sake for Griffin's development alone.
But, right now I'm starting to feel like if Shanahan were to be replaced it wouldn't be that big of hiccup. Imho Griffin's is being vastly underdeveloped in the rhythm drop back passing game and under utilized as passer in general. We drafted one of the most gifted arm talents I've seen in recent drafts and are making him run more option then he did in college. We are finally going to need a real GM and a coach that could ensure overall scheme continuity and the key component needs to be a coach that is an expert with QBs/passing game e.g. Tom Clement.

I can't remember who said it, but I'm starting to come around to the train of thought that the Shanahans are riding on Griffin's athleticism and not his throwing ability. If they can't develop him into a passer, I have no problems with cleaning the entire coaching staff. I've said as much all day. Griffin needs to throw more just like the other rookie qbs. The time to "protect him" is over.

[Skinsinparadise]

Now that's dried up, those early fears are glaring chasms to the OC's detriment. The lack of any semblance of a deep game is real blight against both HC and OC however anyone try's argue the contrary.

Hail.

As wacky as this might sound, wonder if they consider bringing Anthony Armstrong, he's a one trick pony and far from great but at least he can catch the deep ball. Right now, who the heck scares defenses going deep butter fingers Aldrick Robinson or can't get separation deep Leonard Hankerson

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

As wacky as this might sound, wonder if they consider bringing Anthony Armstrong, he's a one trick pony and far from great but at least he can catch the deep ball. Right now, who the heck scares defenses going deep butter fingers Aldrick Robinson or can't get separation deep Leonard Hankerson

I don't think that's a wacky idea man. But I also don't think having Megatron on this team would alter things. Kyle doesn't want to go vertical for some reason.

Which is even more bizarre with the man he now has under center.

Hail.

[darrelgreenie]

As wacky as this might sound, wonder if they consider bringing Anthony Armstrong, he's a one trick pony and far from great but at least he can catch the deep ball. Right now, who the heck scares defenses going deep butter fingers Aldrick Robinson or can't get separation deep Leonard Hankerson

I don't think its a personnel issue at all. We simply don't do attack downfield often despite having the best downfield thrower from last years draft. Tannehill throws downfield more and who does he have at WR?

[campbellcooleyconnection]

Daddy & son act getting old real fast in Redskins nation

[TD_washingtonredskins]

The outcome of the next year or two has to be Griffin evolving into a franchise QB. If the Shanahans can't do that, then it's incumbent upon the owner to find someone who can. Maybe it's Gruden or some guy we have never heard of, but we can't wake up sometime in 2014 with a QB as talented as Griffin not being asked to make plays through the air...he's obviously capable of it.

[Hunter_R]

I don't think its a personnel issue at all. We simply don't do attack downfield often despite having the best downfield thrower from last years draft. Tannehill throws downfield more and who does he have at WR?

Not Anthony Armstrong, who failed in his second chance in Miami.

[SkinsFTW]

Somebody brought up a great point but weren't at least 1/2 of us fans asking for this last year? If he'd have "evaluated" players last year we might have lost out and not given up all those picks for RG3. Oh well, can't expect coaches to be that forward thinking lol.

[mikes54]

Daddy & son act getting old real fast in Redskins nation

Haha, you mean 3 years and a 13 - 27 record. too long.... who knows, maybe the old washed up coach will get us to 8-8 and 3-3 in the divison. at least show some improvement.........

[paloosa]

Shanahan is mad as hell and I don't blame him for saying what he has said. Some players on this team are killing the season and no matter what he has said or done they don't listen. How the hell do you win games when your defense stinks up the joint every week because of bad coaching and poor tackling. Prime example was when Carolina had a 3rd and 4 and the Redskins lined up 4 guys to the left with no one in the middle. Hellllloooo! Newton runs up the middle for 10+yards to keep the drive alive. Then to top that off they had 13, Let me say that again 13 penalties which makes them the NFL leader in penalties as a team. Wow! How can you win games when you lead the league in penalties? This team is undisciplined and hasn't learned that being mistake free is the way to go. The defense before Haslett took over was # 4 and # 10 the two years prior. Under Haslett they have been 29th, 13th and now 31st so far. So why did we hire Haslett and change the defense? OH! that's right. All because we werent't creating enough turnovers. You might as well call us the second worst team in the NFL behind Cleveland and week 15 might be the battle of the trophy for worst team in the NFL. So I guess that we gave the Rams two treats this year. We will give them another top 10 pick and a win. So Shanahan might have said it out of anger and frustration but nothing has changed in the last 10+ years except players and coaches. They still shoot themselves in the foot and make bad investments in players that don't perform. The only good investments they have made in players are RGIII (if he doesn't get hurt), Morris, and it is hard to name another guy worth naming. Everyone else seems to be playing for a paycheck and nothing more.

[RandyHolt]

I don't think its a personnel issue at all. We simply don't do attack downfield often despite having the best downfield thrower from last years draft. Tannehill throws downfield more and who does he have at WR?

Does Tannenhill have an OL in front of him more designed to pass pro, than say one that is more lightweight, and fleet of foot?

I feel like we have to move RG3 around to buy time because our OL is just getting blown up in traditional pocket pass protection. Only, we largely don't roll out 3, move the pocket on designed plays. Its all him improvising.

I do think our defense is worse than our OL, however. Changing to a 3-4 three years ago (assuming this one is now over as he said), how many more years does it need? Its the scheme... its the personnel... well, which is it?