I think it's about time to calm down....

[RedskinParadigm]

I think there is one obvious question that no one is asking...

What would Vinny do?

Exactly what a majority of these fans would do. Most people can't see the hypocrisy of their fervent anti-Synder, pro-fire-everybody-change-everything sentiments.

This was a great OP. At least someone can see the forest for the trees.

[big#44]

I keep seeing mentions of how shanahan "overhauled" the roster. The roster was filled with a bunch of mediocre underachieving players that were closer to 30 then 20 at the beginning of his tenure. Now he's replaced them with average underachieving players who are a little bit younger and presumably cheaper. (but hey they have "potential" right? Doesnt matter how a player plays just how much "potential" he has.). And now he's talking about evaluating and looking to next year. In week 9 of year 3. So he's looking to overhaul the already overhauled roster.

So no, the excuse that Shanahan is making progress because he overhauled the roster just doesnt hold much weight these days.

[Bat~man]

I'm not on the fire shanny Wagon... Yet. I've been in favor of letting him finish his 5 years, but as bad as this team is and in as many areas.. I won't be surprised or disappointed if we change. We had a nice defense, he should have stuck with it, tweaked it and overhauled the offense. Instead, he gutted them both and we're still talked about as the worst team in the nfl. There certainly aren't more than 1 or 2 teams worse than us if any. We have a total of 2 players on any side of the ball that teams have to worry about, RG3 and Morris, everyone else is playing ghost ball.

[Skins3000]

Shanahan should be a politician. This rhetoric of evaluating talent is sickening. I look at the Bucs and even that team is going in the right direction because the attitude and fire that team plays with even in losing efforts. This team still does not run a two minute offense for some reason when it is down two scores in the 4th quarter. Snyder needs to take notes from Isray. Hire a young competent Gm. Mike will not be fired because he has two years left on his deal and many say Snyder does not want to pay a coach for nothing. Good business sense of course but that has been the problem with this franchise. The Skins need to be ran like a football team and Mike needs to be evaluated right now and if an owner base it on talent, wins and losses, and progression how would Mike fair?

[FrFan]

I'm not calling for a head chopping campaign because I think the blame is to be shared between coaches and players. The remaining schedule we have won't help the fans to cool down, especially if Garçon ends up in IR.

[SkinsFTW]

And sitting through Shanahans presser was making me realize he is probably more like Norvv Turner than a Joe Gibbs.

His teams since 2005 have all won no more than 2 of the final 6 games of any season. Unless his team is dominant (1996-1998, 2005) they tank at the end of every single season. He's obviously not like Gibbs. I wish he was Gibbs' offensive coordinator and Rex Ryan could be his DC next year. Now that would work.

[Skinsfan4life83]

Injuries people. Injuries have killed us. If any of you expected us to got to the playoffs missing both starting safeties, our best dlineman, our best pass rusher, our best WR and our stud tight end then you are truly delusional. And with a rookie QB and RB? Step back from the cliff people.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Injuries people. Injuries have killed us. If any of you expected us to got to the playoffs missing both starting safeties, our best dlineman, our best pass rusher, our best WR and our stud tight end then you are truly delusional. And with a rookie QB and RB? Step back from the cliff people.

Injuries, bad coaching, both sides of the ball; and a lack of top tier talent.

A combination of the three.

Hail.

[Skinsfan4life83]

I mean seriously. Every year our fans get this notion that we are good enough to overcome anything. That no matter what happens Shanahan should have stud players at every position. Um well injuries have pretty much destroyed that. Davis is a athletic freak. He is Griffs security blanket. We have no other tight end even remotely as talented. Paulsen has been solid though. Garcon, while not a true number one, is talented enough to make a huge difference. Outside of him our wideouts are average at best. None can make a catch when it is needed. Despite being hit in the hands. Our oline is sub par. Pass blocking proved atrocious today. As I figured it would be going into the season.

Missing Carriker hurts. He is our best dlineman. Period. Couple that with Rak being out and our pass rush is at 0 right now. Teams no longer have anyone specific besides Kerrigan to gameplan for. Both starting safeties being out is the real back breaker. Jackson and Merrriweather would make a difference back there.

I don't blame Shanny for the injuries. I blame our training staff. RGIII is doing everything he possibly can back there. He gets no help from anyone on this team.

[s0crates]

Injuries, bad coaching, both sides of the ball; and a lack of top tier talent.

A combination of the three.

Hail.

Don't forget penalties. We are one of the most penalized teams in the league, maybe even the most penalized.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Don't forget penalties. We are one of the most penalized teams in the league, maybe even the most penalized.

I put that in with the bad coaching. Discipline starts at the top. And from the HC on down, we've been scandalously ill-disciplined this year. 75 penalties through 9 games is indicative of a woefully unprepared, ill-disciplined team. I've lost count of the amount of times we've not even lined correctly to run plays they allegedly practice.

All the more shocking when we're lead by an experienced, two time SB winning HC.

The cultures changed in Washington my pasty white ass!

Hail.

[Skinsfan4life83]

Injuries, bad coaching, both sides of the ball; and a lack of top tier talent.

A combination of the three.

Hail.

Bad defensive coaching. We have talent. It's just that half of our talented players are injured.

Offensive playcalling has been questionable at time but otherwise has been better than I expected. We have no elite talent at wide reciever. **** we don't even have anyone that can catch a routine pass at the moment.

Not to mention I don't think some people realize just how bad the cap penalty affected our ability to gather talent in the offseason. This team always has to fight against something other than football every offseason. The team is headed in the right direction. I have no problem with Shanny. Haslett and Smith ate another matter completely.

[Skinsfan4life83]

I put that in with the bad coaching. Discipline starts at the top. And from the HC on down, we've been scandalously ill-disciplined this year. 75 penalties through 9 games is indicative of a woefully unprepared, ill-disciplined team. I've lost count of the amount of times we've not even lined correctly to run plays they allegedly practice.

All the more shocking when we're lead by an experienced, two time SB winning HC.

The cultures changed in Washington my pasty white ass!

Hail.

A lot of the calls going against us are questionable at best. I've never seen more stupid events, ghost whistle for example, go against us. The officiating has been terrible. I don't completely blame our team for that.

[s0crates]

Yeah I see what you mean GHH.

This is depressing.

[s0crates]

Not to mention I don't think some people realize just how bad the cap penalty affected our ability to gather talent in the offseason. This team always has to fight against something other than football every offseason. The team is headed in the right direction. I have no problem with Shanny. Haslett and Smith ate another matter completely.

Oh believe me I realize it.

No sense getting my hopes up again until 2014 I guess.

So depressing.

Oh well, I've stuck around through worse.