I think it's about time to calm down....

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Bad defensive coaching. We have talent. It's just that half of our talented players are injured.

Offensive playcalling has been questionable at time but otherwise has been better than I expected. We have no elite talent at wide reciever. **** we don't even have anyone that can catch a routine pass at the moment.

Not to mention I don't think some people realize just how bad the cap penalty affected our ability to gather talent in the offseason. This team always has to fight against something other than football every offseason. The team is headed in the right direction. I have no problem with Shanny. Haslett and Smith ate another matter completely.

Come on man. They've not attempted to go downfield all year. That's not all on a lack of talent. We have a man who had arguably the best downfield arm coming out last year, and we've criminally not utilized that. Take that on to the RZ playcalling in particular getting more and more conservative as the years rolled; and the more tape teams have gotten on us, the more predictable we've become.

The defensive problems speak for themselves. But the OC and to a lesser extent HC can't be excused criticism for how the games have gone on the other side of the ball as the seasons gone on.

Hail.

[Skinsfan4life83]

Oh believe me I realize it.

No sense getting my hopes up again until 2014 I guess.

So depressing.

Oh well, I've stuck around through worse.

Lol. I'm sure you do. Some of us do. But not all. Some folks expect there to be absolutely no drop off between first and second string. Um it doesn't work like that.

But I'm with you. I've stuck around through worse. At least we have some hope at QB for a change.

[s0crates]

As to our ineffective passing game, lack of talent is a factor here I think. I can think of several times when we had the deep ball on the money and the WR dropped it.

I would not be surprised to find out we lead the league in dropped passes. Its hard to get the passing game going with receivers who cannot catch.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

As to our ineffective passing game, lack of talent is a factor here I think. I can think of several times when we had the deep ball on the money and the WR dropped it.

I would not be surprised to find out we lead the league in dropped passes. Its hard to get the passing game going with receivers who cannot catch.

I'd love to see the percentage of actual shots taken down field, say over 35/40 yards against the total amount of plays we've run all year.

I bet it's a small percentage.

Hail.

[s0crates]

A lot of the calls going against us are questionable at best. I've never seen more stupid events, ghost whistle for example, go against us. The officiating has been terrible. I don't completely blame our team for that.

I agree with this. I hope its just coincidence, but I feel the way Al Davis used to feel.

[Skinsfan4life83]

Come on man. They've not attempted to go downfield all year. That's not all on a lack of talent. We have a man who had arguably the best downfield arm coming out last year, and we've criminally not utilized that. Take that on to the RZ playcalling in particular getting more and more conservative as the years rolled; and the more tape teams have gotten on us, the more predictable we've become.

The defensive problems speak for themselves. But the OC and to a lesser extent HC can't be excused criticism for how the games have gone on the other side of the ball as the seasons gone on.

Hail.

I agree with that completely GHH. We haven't gone downfield but a couple time all year. And with a QB like RGIII its mind boggling how we haven't. I contribute it partly to our wideouts not being able to get separation, or catch for that matter. And also to RGIII missing some reads here and there. As is expected from a rookie.

I'm not saying that Shanny and son aren't blameless. When 3-6 everyone is to blame. However I'm not as worried about offensive playcalling as I am with the defensive side of things.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

..... However I'm not as worried about offensive playcalling as I am with the defensive side of things.

Thanks for clarifying man. And nobody could argue otherwise on the above.

Hail.

[s0crates]

I'd love to see the percentage of actual shots taken down field, say over 35/40 yards against the total amount of plays we've run all year.

I bet it's a small percentage.

Hail.

Looks like. We have attempted only eleven 31+ yard passes. That is less than two a game.

Of those 11 attempts, we have only completed 1. That is also a low percentage. I wonder how many of those should have been caught.

I'm not saying I disagree with you on throwing the long ball more often, especially off play action with Morris rolling like he is, but I do think lack of talent is a factor. Those numbers would look a lot better if our guys could catch.

[SkinsFTW]

And with a QB like RGIII its mind boggling how we haven't. I contribute it partly to our wideouts not being able to get separation, or catch for that matter.
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Especially considering how often Rex Grossman threw downfield into double coverage last year. RG3 would at least get it there a lot faster and much more accurately.

[KingGibbs]

Ha ha. When I saw this thread I couldn't help but laugh. I've been calm for a while now and I've also been apathetic, but now I'm disgusted.. Shanny was given the keys to the franchise and has done NOTHING that leads me to believe that he is good coach.

How many mulligans and excuses does this guy get?

Year one-New transitiion year.
Year two-Only year two.
Year three-Rookie QB
Year four-Only year two for rookie QB.
and so on and so on.

The laundry list of problems he's created is too long for me to list. I'm surprised how gullible some of you are when it comes to Shanny and his ability to lead you to believe that we are heading in the right direction.

Keep taking your Prozac. It's doing wonders for you.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

No question the drops have hurt us. Anyone arguing against that is burying their head in the sand and then some.

But that is a woefully low number of attempts downfield. At best you can be kind and say the number of drops has made them reticent to go even mid-range. Never mind deep. But there's been no real attempt to go vertical from day one. I get the rookie QB factor. I get the loss of Garcon and drop factor. But we still have the speed and threat to keep teams honest. And the line has been better than expected and given Robert enough time with his quick ass release to go deep.

Everything considered, I honestly don't get why Kyle has shyed away from an area of the offense that could be a devastating weapon. Even more so when they had no problem going deep last year with Interceptus Rexus and a worse receiving core than this one.

It makes no sense at all.

Hail.

[Skinsfan4life83]

Thanks for clarifying man. And nobody could argue otherwise on the above.

Hail.

Not a problem brother. 3-6 leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Especially losing to a punk like Newton. RGIII is far more of a professional than that punk *****.

Offensively I just think we lack a true playmaker at WR. RGIII gives guys chances to make plays. But they never take advantage of those opportunities. If the ball is anywhere near your hands you make the catch. This is the NFL. You have to make those catches. And Kyle better start calling some more deep shots.

[s0crates]

No question the drops have hurt us. Anyone arguing against that is burying their head in the sand and then some.

But that is a woefully low number of attempts downfield. At best you can be kind and say the number of drops has made them reticent to go even mid-range. Never mind deep. But there's been no real attempt to go vertical from day one. I get the rookie QB factor. I get the loss of Garcon and drop factor. But we still have the speed and threat to keep teams honest. And the line has been better than expected and given Robert enough time with his quick ass release to go deep.

Everything considered, I honestly don't get why Kyle has shyed away from an area of the offense that could be a devastating weapon. Even more so when they had no problem going deep last year with Interceptus Rexus and a worse receiving core than this one.

It makes no sense at all.

Hail.

Yeah we are basically in agreement about all that.

We should go deep more. I think the deep play off play action should work, considering how well we are running the ball and Griffin's arm talent. I would certainly like to see us try it, maybe 3 times a game say. I will add that it is hard to call those plays when you have such a low success rate though.

I'll also add a minor correction: Rex did not go deep as much as you think. Last season he attempted only 23 passes of 31+ yards, which is roughly the same percentage as Griffin.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

..... A minor correction: Rex did not go deep as much as you think. Last season he attempted only 23 passes of 31+ yards, which is roughly the same percentage as Griffin.

Interesting. My bad on the memory. Or perception of what happened without looking that up first. Apologies.

So it's an ongoing thing even in the mid-range bracket. (I'd consider 20-40 mid-range. 40 plus a deep shot.).

Hail.

[s0crates]

Interesting. My bad on the memory. Or perception of what happened without looking that up first. Apologies.

So it's an ongoing thing even in the mid-range bracket. (I'd consider 20-40 mid-range. 40 plus a deep shot.).

Hail.

I would imagine that is about par for the course in the WCO, but I'm honestly more of a fan of grinding and taking shots like Gibbs used to do.

For comparison sake: Brunell (an inferior arm talent to RG3 I'd say) attempted thirty-one 31+ yard passes in 2005.