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    102 26.70%
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Thread: Poll: Which has contributed the most to the Washington Redskins 3-6 record? Injuries, Lack of Quality Depth, or Coaching?

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    Default Re: Poll: Which has contributed the most to the Washington Redskins 3-6 record? Injuries, Lack of Quality Depth, or Coaching?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painkiller View Post
    No argument here. None at all. Again, not trying to absolve Haslett or Smith, I just don't think coaching is the biggest reason for our record.
    Oh no worries, I can't quibble with anyone's reasoning on injuries or other reasons I am sure they all play a role. Let me also preface this with my opinion that Shanny should get the whole five year contract in my opinion. That being said (and I know many of you willl recognize this list from my other posts):

    Amendola never being manned up
    The improper technique/alignment on Victor Cruz.
    Not going for it on 4th and inches when you had all the momentum in the Cinci game.
    The illegal shift that cost us a touchdown in the ? game.
    Throwing the ball at our opponent at the end of the St Louis game.
    The kicking debacle.
    The ridiculous bone head penalties, taking your helmet off and getting tossed, back breaking false starts at home when we are about to win the game coupled with a 20 yard arguing with the official call.
    Dropped passes galore.
    No passing option on 4th and goal against carolina coupled with coming out utterly flat after pronouncing "homecoming" weekend was a must win.

    Its poor talent. Its lack of depth. Its alot of injuries. Its the cap penalties. Its alot of things but coaching is most certainly an enormous problem right now. All of the above stupid things are things a well coached team limits. They are literally the most concrete things that we can point to for our record to date.

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    Default Re: Poll: Which has contributed the most to the Washington Redskins 3-6 record? Injuries, Lack of Quality Depth, or Coaching?

    Wasting a pick on Kirk Cousins when we could have added another CB or offensive playmaker.

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    Default Re: Poll: Which has contributed the most to the Washington Redskins 3-6 record? Injuries, Lack of Quality Depth, or Coaching?

    Quote Originally Posted by DogofWar1 View Post
    One thing on quality depth, and why I don't consider it a huge issue, is that there's a bit of a disconnect between "quality" and "depth."

    If a player is good enough that he can step in and reliably fill a starter role for 16 weeks, he's not going to be a backup for long anywhere, and will quickly take his talents to a team where he can start, and get starter money.

    Depth players are depth because they aren't capable of being NFL starters.

    It's tough enough to field 22 starters, let alone have starter-quality backups. Even if you do have starter quality backups, you probably only have a couple of them. When you get injuries, especially long term ones, odds are those starter quality backups aren't at the spots where people got injured, and you're dealing with true backups.

    So a lack of quality depth seems kind of weird to talk about, since it seems like no team would really have a bunch of guys who could waltz in and play for 16 games effectively. Maybe guys who can play well for 3-4 game stints, but for 16, I just don't think that's a thing.
    Thank you man

    I've been saying this all year.

    Your backups are backups for a reason
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    Default Re: Poll: Which has contributed the most to the Washington Redskins 3-6 record? Injuries, Lack of Quality Depth, or Coaching?

    I would say the defense is the major reason for the performance thus far this season followed by the injuries, depth, coaching

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    Default Re: Poll: Which has contributed the most to the Washington Redskins 3-6 record? Injuries, Lack of Quality Depth, or Coaching?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 View Post
    Thank you man

    I've been saying this all year.

    Your backups are backups for a reason
    Exactly. And the other part of it, apart from a drop in skill at a single position, is that generally, offenses or defenses can work around an injury or two. If a Dlinemen goes down, you alter the scheme a little and move on.

    When two main pass rushers go down, and two safeties go down, there is no covering up those weaknesses, unless you've got a JJ Watt in the front who can do it by himself or a Revis in the back who can shut down any WR all game. Of course, there's only a couple guys like that in the league (Watt, Ware, Matthews for pass rush, Revis, Bailey for CB), and our closest guy to those, Orakpo, went down too.

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    Default Re: Poll: Which has contributed the most to the Washington Redskins 3-6 record? Injuries, Lack of Quality Depth, or Coaching?

    Quote Originally Posted by skinfan2k View Post
    Wasting a pick on Kirk Cousins when we could have added another CB or offensive playmaker.
    Kirk Cousins is very likely still going to be that top CB or offensive playmaker for us. Wait and see. Somebody is going to come calling next off-season, and they may not pay a king's ransom, but I bet we get more than we paid for Kirk Cousins before it's all said and done.
    Last edited by Painkiller; November-9th-2012 at 05:49 PM.

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    Default Re: Poll: Which has contributed the most to the Washington Redskins 3-6 record? Injuries, Lack of Quality Depth, or Coaching?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painkiller View Post
    Kirk Cousins is very likely still going to be that top CB or offensive playmaker for us. Wait and see. Somebody is going to come calling next off-season, and they may not pay a king's ransom, but I bet we get more than we paid for Kirk Cousins before it's all said and done.
    who cares? we wasted 2 years on a players that won't contribute to this team.

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    Default Re: Poll: Which has contributed the most to the Washington Redskins 3-6 record? Injuries, Lack of Quality Depth, or Coaching?

    Quote Originally Posted by skinfan2k View Post
    who cares? we wasted 2 years on a players that won't contribute to this team.
    they just drafted the guy. What are you saying exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Painkiller View Post
    they just drafted the guy. What are you saying exactly?
    Umm draft a guy who can help right now. We have no play makers on offense and you couldn't find a CB/SS in the 4th round. RG3 is the future at QB anyway. We can't draft a luxury pick when this team blows

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    Default Re: Poll: Which has contributed the most to the Washington Redskins 3-6 record? Injuries, Lack of Quality Depth, or Coaching?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painkiller View Post
    Kirk Cousins is very likely still going to be that top CB or offensive playmaker for us. Wait and see. Somebody is going to come calling next off-season, and they may not pay a king's ransom, but I bet we get more than we paid for Kirk Cousins before it's all said and done.
    because he played well in the pre-season?

    He has one game of real experience and looked exactly like a 4th round pick. You're really reaching with this one
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    Default Re: Poll: Which has contributed the most to the Washington Redskins 3-6 record? Injuries, Lack of Quality Depth, or Coaching?

    Quote Originally Posted by skinfan2k View Post
    Umm draft a guy who can help right now. We have no play makers on offense and you couldn't find a CB/SS in the 4th round. RG3 is the future at QB anyway. We can't draft a luxury pick when this team blows
    Edit: Nevermind, brain fart

    Quote Originally Posted by BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 View Post
    because he played well in the pre-season?

    He has one game of real experience and looked exactly like a 4th round pick. You're really reaching with this one
    We'll see won't we. Only time will tell.
    Last edited by Painkiller; November-10th-2012 at 02:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Painkiller View Post
    Do you think if Shanahan had known about "Capgate" before the draft that he would have still drafted Cousins? Given the team's cap space at the time, it was a bold move yes, but not that much of a reach. Hindsight is 20/20. As many people thought it was a bad move at the time, many also thought it was brilliant. May still turn out to be.
    Umm, he did. Free agency happened before the draft. He knew about cap gate in March and the draft was in April. And what are you taking about cousins going to be that top CB?

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    Default Re: Poll: Which has contributed the most to the Washington Redskins 3-6 record? Injuries, Lack of Quality Depth, or Coaching?

    Quote Originally Posted by skinfan2k View Post
    Umm, he did. Free agency happened before the draft. He knew about cap gate in March and the draft was in April. And what are you taking about cousins going to be that top CB?
    he's banking on somewhat trading a pick for Cousins
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    Default Re: Poll: Which has contributed the most to the Washington Redskins 3-6 record? Injuries, Lack of Quality Depth, or Coaching?

    Quote Originally Posted by BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 View Post
    he's banking on somewhat trading a pick for Cousins
    Well thats dumb. You wait 2-3 years to assume you are going to get a better draft pick. Essentially you are wasting 2-3 years to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick for a using a 4th in the current year. Not a good ROI

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    Default Re: Poll: Which has contributed the most to the Washington Redskins 3-6 record? Injuries, Lack of Quality Depth, or Coaching?

    Quote Originally Posted by skinfan2k View Post
    Umm, he did. Free agency happened before the draft. He knew about cap gate in March and the draft was in April. And what are you taking about cousins going to be that top CB?
    Yup, you are exactly right. I got my time frames mixed up. Cousin's may or may not turn out to be a good move for the team, we'll have to see how it plays out over time.

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