WP: The Redskins might be playing to evaluate players, but it’s too early for Mike Shanahan to say so

[cphil006]

He was obviously evaluating Brandon Banks last game and I think I came to the conclusion that he'll be gone next season.

[The Hangman- C_Hamberger]

Personally (emotionally) I'd like to raid all the practice squads in the league to see if we can find some Safeties and Corners that can play. Seeing Wilson (and hearing his explaination after the game makes me sicker) I'd RATHER NOT SEE HIM ON THE FIELD AGAIN...Same with 41. I'd rather get blown out LOOKING for Talent than watching THIS Defensive garbage...

I've seen the skins defenses since '72 with the dancing bear, hangman, Pat Fisher..et'all. This defensive backfield group should be stripped of the colors and made to play in yellow (not Gold) Jerseys...IS that allowed???

[RyansRangers]

I do not like the job that shanny has done however, we cannot uproot entire staff.. that would set back rg3 and his learning curve.. replqce haz and danny smith ...let shanny work out his contract. And see if progress is made.. we cannot replace anothee head coach

[MartinC]

I struggle to see a scenario where is isn't the coach in 2013 - I guess we would have to lose out coupled with clear evidence of him losing the locker room - two things with seem unlike, "The Comment" isn't going to help.

But these characteristics of a perennial loser that have reared their head need to stop now. It's as simple as that. Can't preach this line of "a return of professional football in DC" when you are losing games for the reasons you are.

No argument from me on the above. Leading the league in penalties is an indictment of all concerned as an example.

---------- Post added November-5th-2012 at 10:04 AM ----------

He was obviously evaluating Brandon Banks last game and I think I came to the conclusion that he'll be gone next season.

He should be gone next week.

[Probos]

Maybe Shanny meant for his words to be motivational for his players,...but if that was his intentions it was a horrible choice or words. And the calm, in control, mono toned voice doesn't help.

For once I'd like to see a coach of the Redskins with some fire and passion,....show some emotion for ****-sake. He's like a robot.

It's a bad situation all the way around,..and I don't know how he spins his way out of this,.....pathetic.

[Destino]

You had Dan and Vinny in charge of personnel and coaching staffs for over a decade.
Shanny should get the life of his contract.
I preach patience because everyone knew what this season was all about back in August.

Now, that logic has been thrown out the window.

What's funny is that the one's who preached patience back in August are the first ones wanting to fire everybody.

Really? "Everyone knew" that this team was going to have a decent offense and still fail to win games? I think what we all knew as that a rookie QB doesn't win many football games but that got turned on it's head when the rookie turned out far better than expected. RG3's success increased the pressure on Shanahan. Perhaps that isn't fair but it's hard to claim the team should be no better despite far improved QB play in this league.

After 9 games:
2010 4-5 (6-10)
2011 3-6 (5-11)
2012 3-6

It shouldn't take 5 years to get to 8-8. With all of that said I still say Shanahan isn't fired this season. It should get him called into Snyder's office and made to understand that his job is in jeopardy next season and that the time to see some damned ROI has arrived in earnest. Then again perhaps Snyder should inform Shanahan that after his little evaluating comment yesterday that the coaches will be under the same scrutiny for the rest of the season.

[wrecker]

Then again perhaps Snyder should inform Shanahan that after his little evaluating comment yesterday that the coaches will be under the same scrutiny for the rest of the season.

Best idea of the day.

[Mursilis]

Really? "Everyone knew" that this team was going to have a decent average and still fail to win games? I think what we all knew as that a rookie QB doesn't win many football games but that got turned on it's head when the rookie turned out far better than expected. RG3's success increased the pressure on Shanahan. Perhaps that isn't fair but it's hard to claim the team should be no better despite far improved QB play in this league.

After 9 games:
2010 4-5 (6-10)
2011 3-6 (5-11)
2012 3-6

It shouldn't take 5 years to get to 8-8. With all of that said I still say Shanahan isn't fired this season. It should get him called into Snyder's office and made to understand that his job is in jeopardy next season and that the time to see some damned ROI has arrived in earnest. Then again perhaps Snyder should inform Shanahan that after his little evaluating comment yesterday that the coaches will be under the same scrutiny for the rest of the season.

Amen. And that's assuming he even gets to 8-8, which is looking rather optimistic at this point.

[MartinC]

Best idea of the day.

Scrutiny by whom exactly - Snyder? No thanks. It's Shannys job to evaluate the coaches and you can bet your bottom dollar he is - he knows its his ass and reputation on the line.

[MartinC]

Then again perhaps Snyder should inform Shanahan that after his little evaluating comment yesterday that the coaches will be under the same scrutiny for the rest of the season.

Its not Snyders job, nor is he qualified, to evaluate coaches. He should evaluate Allen and Shanny based on the won/loss and roster development and sign the cheques. Period. Which to be fair is what he is doing. My feeling is if I was Snyder I would be saying to Shanny and Allen that I am delighted with what I have seen from RGIII and that it looks like we have one of the major building blocks in place - I now expect in year 4 of a 5 year deal to see progress that is reflected in wins and losses and that a 4th losing season would be unacceptable.

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Best idea of the day.

Scrutiny by whom exactly - Snyder? No thanks. It's Shannys job to evaluate the coaches and you can bet your bottom dollar he is - he knows its his ass and reputation on the line.

[wrecker]

Its not Snyders job, nor is he qualified, to evaluate coaches. He should evaluate Allen and Shanny based on the won/loss and roster development and sign the cheques. Period. Which to be fair is what he is doing. My feeling is if I was Snyder I would be saying to Shanny and Allen that I am delighted with what I have seen from RGIII and that it looks like we have one of the major building blocks in place - I now expect in year 4 of a 5 year deal to see progress that is reflected in wins and losses and that a 4th losing season would be unacceptable.

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Scrutiny by whom exactly - Snyder? No thanks. It's Shannys job to evaluate the coaches and you can bet your bottom dollar he is - he knows its his ass and reputation on the line.

So maybe Snyder could hire a coaching evaluator liason BINGO caller?

[MartinC]

So maybe Snyder could hire a coaching evaluator liason BINGO caller?

Thats sort of thing could never happen in professional sports. Oh wait ....

[darrelgreenie]

I can see that and agree that its a concern - but I don't think its time to bail on this regime, we have to bite a bullet and ride this out for at least another year IMO. The alternative is maybe going back two steps to take maybe 3 steps forwards.

I used to have a similar thought process......

-Kleese

I hear what you are saying, there have been some major blunders in Mike Shanahan's rebuilding process.
Some completely his fault, some with right intention but with a kinda shockingly unpredictable outcome (McNabb).
The quality of the FO rebuild prior to Griffin could be called into question and for good reason may have been viewed as 'hot seat' worthy.

...enter Robert Griffin III

Shrewd move on their part, because without a viable QB of the future the really would have been in trouble.
Robert Griffin is a great and worthy prospect that effectively hits the 'reset' button on this regimes time table.
It takes time to groom a rookie QB into a franchise QB.
Getting rid of regime in a rooke QBs 1st year can be quite damaging.
Also, finding a new regime (unless they are from the same coaching family/philosophy) almost guarantee more change/losing as the new regime brings in player that fit their scheme.
We are married to Mike, Mike is married to Griffin.


And while I feel your trepidation, I take solace in 2 things.
Whatever Mike Shanahan/Bruce Allen lack as general managers Mike Shanahan more then compensates with his ability to coach.
Equally if not more importantly Robert Griffin III is a stud.

I don't think this team is going to be worse then 6-10.
But if they are 6-10 this regime has to come back for Griffin's 2nd season.

But now I wouldn't be against a regime change. While they've developed a effective offense its not based on Griffin's passing ability its based on Griffin's running ability. And the main reason I would be against a regime change would be the worry about stunting Griffin's development as a passer within the offense. But based on the offense right now I have no qualms about stunting his growth as passer because imho there is no growth to stunt. Imo he has not been developed much in the 3-5-7 step drop rhythm passing game and reading defenses or coverage pre/post snap to warrant any significant lose or re-learning.

[thebluefood]

If Mike Shanahan has given up on the 2012 Redskins, so have I. I'm too busy preparing for a life post university to worry about a bunch of overpaid underachievers.

[PortisBetts]

And most folks acknowledged before the season that the secondary was bad, the Oline still needed work and we had unknowns at WR....it wasn't only about the rookies at QB and RB.

The fanbase will tell you up front they are an intelligent,even keeled bunch with patience.

What a crock of horse apples.....lol

Patience runs out after 20 years of the same story. Different model, same story. Out of it by week 8 or 9 again.