Shanny Has Two Weeks To Avoid Armageddon

[martin49]

For the sake of argument, where does the towel sit if the Eagles game (against a shockingly bad Philly team in absolute self destruct implosion mode) is just as bad as that 'showing' yesterday?

Hail.

We always play our own division tough win or lose. And the eagles game will be no different. So winning these games gives us more jubilation than we should take, and losing them is expected so they usually don't hurt as bad as say, losing to the Bengals,Rams,or Panthers. How the hell do you beat the world champs twice last year and fold like a cheap card table to these lesser teams? It truly is a puzzling question.

[PlayAction]

Every year it's the same. First the fans have unrealistic expectations and then reality sets in. Finally, calls start coming for cleaning house of either the DC; HC, GM, President or whatever. As if retooling the roster wouldn't put you right back in square one for another 3-5 year building project.

Hopefully, Danny will stay all in with Shanahan. For better or worse, continuity has been lacking for more than a decade and is more important than anything else IMO. We knew after the first two years that we were stuck with woeful QB play. Now we've mortgaged the future for a franchise QB and know, or should know, that as well as he's played we are probably looking at 3 years before he completes his transition from college style play to full NFL abilities. The next two years will be tough. We are short 2 #1 draft picks (and they will be high ones) + free agency money for one more year that are needed to build a supporting cast around the QB.

It's going to be tough but when we went all in for Griffin (and I like the guy) I couldn't stop thinking that the competitive date was moving further and further out.

[RVAbrendan]

I'm almost ready to throw in the flag as well...but to see how RGIII responded in that post-game presser was telling. He seemed pissed. Hell, he seemed pissed during the game when his receivers still couldn't hang onto the ball.

This kid wants to win. He needs to win. Wouldn't be surprised if he got together with his receivers for a meeting and hashed out his expectations. As #98QBKiller mentioned, we're not THAT far back, mathematically. We still have division play ahead of us. If Robert can ignite this offense after the bye, we will have a fighting chance. I'm not counting on it, but after seeing his phenomenal play so far this year, I'm not discounting him one bit.

[The Tris]

But the "coaching" part is more basic. We lost in large part yesterday because we couldn't line up correctly, missed assignments, poor clock managment, questionable play calls, etc...

Those are things that can be fixed and they can be fixed on the fly. If Shanny is unable to fix those issues given two weeks to look everything over, then I'm really not sure if he has anything left to offer.

We don't need to win out, but we do need to return to being a professional and disciplined team.

If we lose because of our talent issues (whether b/c of injuries, poor previous GMing or poor current GMing) that is one thing. We expected struggles this year.

But to lose because of mental mistakes? Unforgivable and unacceptable, with the experience of this coaching staff, and the leadership on this team.

How we win and lose the remainder of the season will dictate whether we should fire the coach at the conclusion of the year, not if we win or lose.

[martin49]

Every year it's the same. First the fans have unrealistic expectations and then reality sets in. Finally, calls start coming for cleaning house of either the DC; HC, GM, President or whatever. As if retooling the roster wouldn't put you right back in square one for another 3-5 year building project.

Hopefully, Danny will stay all in with Shanahan. For better or worse, continuity has been lacking for more than a decade and is more important than anything else IMO. We knew after the first two years that we were stuck with woeful QB play. Now we've mortgaged the future for a franchise QB and know, or should know, that as well as he's played we are probably looking at 3 years before he completes his transition from college style play to full NFL abilities. The next two years will be tough. We are short 2 #1 draft picks (and they will be high ones) + free agency money for one more year that are needed to build a supporting cast around the QB.

It's going to be tough but when we went all in for Griffin (and I like the guy) I couldn't stop thinking that the competitive date was moving further and further out.

I agree, with the talent around Griffin now, and lack of top draft picks in the near future. We will continue to scoop up other teams cast offs and hope they transform under this program. A quick fix does not look likely and one has to wonder how long Snyder is willing to wait before sharpening his axe again.

[Redskindon2]

Completely agree with your assessment on the Cruz TD, I think that popped the players proverbial balloon. They all know Madoo doo Williams is terrible, and there is nothing that can be done. That play ruined this team, look at the performances since. Hopefully, this bye week can re-spark the fire to compete again, division opponents always have a way of doing that. Grasping at straws here, but at least its better than burying my head in the sand until 2013. Gonna need something to do on sundays....

We're done. I'm am so tired of freaking losing week in and week out. injuries aside the players are playing pathetic football. Look at Miami, Colts and last years and this years 49ers. why are they showing so much improvement yet the redskins continually move backwards. I had such high hopes for this season to look better and the last 2 weeks completely deflated me and I have thrown in the towell on the Shanahan era. he doesn't have it anymore. bring in another coaching staff and lets see if a younger Coach can spark this team to play better. the playcalling yesterday was dismal. Brandon Banks has no reason to ever suit up yet they keep trying crap with him and it fails everytime. With the new kickoff rule he's utterly useless. the last play with 18 seconds wasted on him. should have tried hail mary. at least that had a slight chance. The Colts are 5-3 with a new coach and all new players on the team. When are we going to see improvement. 6-10, 5-11 and so far we're 3-6. I can't see 1 win let alone 4 in the next 7 games to say we improved. this team doesn't play with any heart. I am done subjecting myself to the failure known as the Reskins for 2012. looks like im waiting for 2013 and I hope Snyder blows up this staff and players. He's been a patient man and stayed in the background but I fear his patience is run out. HTTR

[Rypien1191]

As the stark realism begins to set in, there's something intrinsically wrong with your whole structure if one loss, with still another 9 games to play for, however heart-wrenching that loss was; can totally finish your season to all intents and purposes.

Something inherently wrong indeed.

Hail.

Agreed, but it wasn't just the Giants loss... it was the fact that after the Giants loss we laid 2 consecutive eggs. Losing to Pittsburgh is forgiveable. Getting manhandled by Pitt is annoying. Getting manhandled by Pitt AND Carolina is inexcusable. If we had showed up yesterday and won, there may have been some hope for the 2nd half... particularly with getting some players back.

The Cruz bomb was likely the straw that broke the team's (especially the defense's) back after 7 games of awful play.

[texasthunder]

So now this is where "Shanny the GM" is conflicting with "Shanny the coach".. One of them (or both) has to go at some point. But i dont' think both can continue to coexist for the long term. Its just too much, IMO.

I read that Sean Peytons contract was voided by the NFL, thus he is free at the end of this year.
Do I want him, or Gruden or even Morris to take over the reins- Hell no.

Because we finally got a qb and in a system that emphasizes his positive attributes. Why in gods name would we want to subject
him to a whole new offensive scheme ?
I too am very frustrated, but in the large picture I knew our talent level was pretty average, and right now its getting exposed.
We have lost some pretty important pieces to the puzzle IE: Davis, Garcon, etc. And now those average backups have not stepped up.

To me the problem is, we as fans got all excited about RGIII and the offensive production, we allowed ourselves to think maybe we could sneek into the playoffs.
And now that dream is all but dashed. We want to blame someone, we want to have a reason why the excitement is being snatched from our grasp.
Well there are plenty of "reasons", plenty of "excuses", and plenty of people to blame. But lets try to look at the bigger picture.
We have a QB to build this team around. We have seen what Shanny can do with a 6th round RB. Let them get some more weapons for Robert and
watch how this team grows.
Reading RGIII, and some of the other players presser tells me that the majority of these platyers have not given up, and neither have I.

[SWFLSkins]

So now this is where "Shanny the GM" is conflicting with "Shanny the coach".. One of them (or both) has to go at some point. But i dont' think both can continue to coexist for the long term. Its just too much, IMO.

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Which Shanny said this is the most depth he has had since he has been here? I feel like Sybil is coaching the team.

[amm0409]

. First the fans have unrealistic expectations and then reality sets in. Finally, calls start coming for cleaning house of either the DC; HC, GM, President or whatever. As if retooling the roster wouldn't put you right back in square one for another 3-5 year building project. .

I didn't think we would even make the playoffs with a rookie QB. I expected more from our team overall though. I think we knew our weaknesses and strengths. From game one and on, special teams and defense have been in question. Then you throw in the fact RG3 in a few games is getting hit, sacked etc... In the pocket not as a runner. I think the last couple of games his been a little rattled. The team is looking like there's no effort and then Mike the HC says its time to evaluate (motivational or not).

I am beginning to think that even Haslett and Morris need to take a seat somewhere else atleast.
Teams get the injury bug, whether it be steelers, packers etc.. But they produce, and part of it is great coaches.

[Hunter_R]

I think it's too late for Shanahan. Lorenzo Alexander is openly dissapointed in his head coach, and a couple anonymous skins were bothered. No doubt that'll spread.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...other-redskins

[thesubmittedone]

My word isnt going to be so easily disregarded. I've told myself and others numerous times that this FO has five years. Five full years. I don't care how bad it looks. I don't care about some arbitrary idea of "improvement" or "progress" some of you want to justify your rage towards Mike with.

We've been the worst ran organization for the last decade or so. We brought in expensive free agents who were either past their prime or simply gave up when they got their money from us. We gave Haynesworth a disgustingly huge contract and gave Hall one as well. We backloaded both contracts so they'd be an issue in the future. We drafted poorly and lacked depth at virtually every spot on the team except maybe TE. That is what Mike and Bruce came into. Then, he had to deal with the worst FA class in history because of the uncapped season. Then a lockout the next season. Then, when we were going to finally have a normal offseason we get penalized unjustly for trying to fix those ridiculous contracts we gave to Hall and Haynesworth.

Still, throughout all this we've drafted fairly well and have a lot of youth as depth on our team, which means we can survive more injuries than ever before. If a guy like Pierre Garcon got hurt just a couple years ago our offense would be able to do NOTHING. This time, we were able to continue to have a top ten offense. My, my how we forget.

FIVE FULL YEARS. I said this last week after the awful Pittsburgh game and some of you who are moaning and whining now we're actually with me on it. That's it? One bad game after one last week was enough to make you go against your word? Thats how easy it is for you to say something and have it essentially MEAN NOTHING?

We need a better defensive coordinator and major upgrades at both Safety spots. Those two moves alone will make us competitive. I'm pissed off about the last two weeks and it's so frustrating cuz we had a chance to do something but, damnit, there is no way i'm going to be so weak as to even consider throwing in the towel knowing full well just what situation this team was in before Mike came in and where it's at now.

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Which Shanny said this is the most depth he has had since he has been here? I feel like Sybil is coaching the team.

That statement should be viewed in context of the abysmal talent on the roster when Shanahan took over. Even in year 3 consider that with the exception of Garcon, none of the Skins current WRs are arguably better than the #5 WR on Green Bay. GB has a better QB (at present!), better TE playing, at least 4 players on defense who are better than Skins best. Etc etc etc.

And, to the other poster who said that Danny has been very patient.......good. But, my idea of patient isn't less than 3 years. The last thing we want to do is subject Griffin to multiple OCs over time.

[SkinsFTW]

For the sake of argument, where does the towel sit if the Eagles game (against a shockingly bad Philly team in absolute self destruct implosion mode) is just as bad as that 'showing' yesterday?

Hail.

That Eagles game could be ugly. Remember 2010. We come off the bye 4-4 and play the Eagles. 59-28 losing 6 of final 8 games.

[thesubmittedone]

Agreed, but it wasn't just the Giants loss... it was the fact that after the Giants loss we laid 2 consecutive eggs. Losing to Pittsburgh is forgiveable. Getting manhandled by Pitt is annoying. Getting manhandled by Pitt AND Carolina is inexcusable. If we had showed up yesterday and won, there may have been some hope for the 2nd half... particularly with getting some players back.

The Cruz bomb was likely the straw that broke the team's (especially the defense's) back after 7 games of awful play.

We really weren't manhandled by Carolina. You act like the game was a total blowout. We were in it the entire game, actually, and the worst thing that happened to us was not scoring in the red zone. But manhandled? Come on. You can argue that for Pittsburgh, but Carolina just beat us by taking advantage of our awful defense and playing solid D in the red zone.

But the time for exaggerating and freaking out is now, so I know I'm an idiot for even responding to all these posts this morning.