Shanny Has Two Weeks To Avoid Armageddon

[Mursilis]

Every year it's the same. First the fans have unrealistic expectations and then reality sets in. Finally, calls start coming for cleaning house of either the DC; HC, GM, President or whatever. As if retooling the roster wouldn't put you right back in square one for another 3-5 year building project.

Right back in square one? When did we leave square one?

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We need a better defensive coordinator and major upgrades at both Safety spots. Those two moves alone will make us competitive. I'm pissed off about the last two weeks and it's so frustrating cuz we had a chance to do something but, damnit, there is no way i'm going to be so weak as to even consider throwing in the towel knowing full well just what situation this team was in before Mike came in and where it's at now.

Mike took over a 10+ loss team, and he made it into a 10+ loss team for two more seasons, and likely this season as well. How has anything changed? Shanahan has changed how we lose, but not the losing part itself.

[skinsfan07]

**** it, I'm a homer. If the Eagles lose tonight, then the whole division lost games over the weekend and we'll have a chance to come back after the bye and do some damage to the division, seeing how our first three games are division opponents. The season isn't over by a longshot but we have to be the team from the first 6 or 7 games of the season not the team of the last two games.

It seems like ever since Santana fumbled that ball against the Giants, we've just totally deflated.

Nah homie, I'm a big ass homer too but that Moss fumble didn't kill us. It was Madoo-doo beng the piece of **** he is and allowing Cruz to get behind him. That deflated us. But hell yea, I think if we come out after the bye refreshed, new mindset and healthy, we can squeak by the Eagles before our Turkey Day game vs Dallas.

[Sticksboi05]

Just a note, it does not take 5 years to complete a decent turn around A good GM can get it done rather quickly.

[John224]

The possibility of 10 and six still exists so the season is not lost.

[DieselPwr44]

Lorenzo Alexander is bothered?

About being put on notice??

Sound the alarm!! Call NORAD!!

You mean a coach is going to hold players accountable?


Man this fanbase has fallen off the cliff.......

[Skinz4Life12]

The possibility of 10 and six still exists so the season is not lost.

the possibility of me winning the lotto exists too. just saying.

i agree though, its too early for us to lay down for any team

[Sticksboi05]

Lorenzo Alexander is bothered?

About being put on notice??

Sound the alarm!! Call NORAD!!

You mean a coach is going to hold players accountable?


Man this fanbase has fallen off the cliff.......

Because we don't want our coach adding hooplah for no reason to the media pressure? Nobody argues that if they don't want to hear it then sack up and play like a decent team but still...

[thesubmittedone]

Right back in square one? When did we leave square one?

---------- Post added November-5th-2012 at 01:45 PM ----------



Mike took over a 10+ loss team, and he made it into a 10+ loss team for two more seasons, and likely this season as well. How has anything changed? Shanahan has changed how we lose, but not the losing part itself.

We've built a roster from the bottom up instead of the top-down like we always have previously. We can survive more injuries than before at a lot of positions where previously one key guy meant our season was done. We are younger overall and have gotten solid production from first year and second year players with the hopes that they'll continue to improve with experience. Oh, and WE GOT A FRANCHISE QB.

5 years.

[SWFLSkins]

Lorenzo Alexander is bothered?

About being put on notice??

Sound the alarm!! Call NORAD!!

You mean a coach is going to hold players accountable?


Man this fanbase has fallen off the cliff.......

Holding people accountable is absolutely needed when the results are the way they are, in fact hold Shanahan accountable for the roster, he said it was the best depth he has had since coming here, most are his additions.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

We've built a roster from the bottom up instead of the top-down like we always have previously. We can survive more injuries than before at a lot of positions where previously one key guy meant our season was done. We are younger overall and have gotten solid production from first year and second year players with the hopes that they'll continue to improve with experience. Oh, and WE GOT A FRANCHISE QB.

5 years.

And we appear, on the evidence of yesterday and what's followed, to have a Grand Canyon sized chasm between HC/ staff and players no longer playing for them. (However you'd like to spin yesterday's game as 'close.').

How do you move forward when you've lost the group?

Hail.

[Sticksboi05]

We've built a roster from the bottom up instead of the top-down like we always have previously. We can survive more injuries than before at a lot of positions where previously one key guy meant our season was done. We are younger overall and have gotten solid production from first year and second year players with the hopes that they'll continue to improve with experience. Oh, and WE GOT A FRANCHISE QB.

5 years.

I'm sorry, we are 3-6 going nowhere fast. That is no different. This is a results-based business. The results are the same, actually worse than under freakin' Zorn in year one. What is this absurd idea it takes half a decade to build a solid team. How many other teams have we seen do it while we continue to falter with multiple regimes? A competent GM can turn around a team rather quickly.

[thesubmittedone]

And we appear, on the evidence of yesterday and what's followed, to have a Grand Canyon sized chasm between HC/ staff and players no longer playing for them. (However you'd like to spin yesterday's game as 'close.').

How do you move forward when you've lost the group?

Hail.

No spinning, just an emotionally-controlled observation my man. Something you seem to lack any capability of doing at this moment, as usual for you after a loss.

And I don't think he's lost anyone. I think it's just a typical over-reaction by the fans who are fed a steady stream of sensationalized media from every angle during every part of their daily lives.

So, sorry, I just can't answer your question because it's based on a falsehood in my mind.

I'm sorry, we are 3-6 going nowhere fast. That is no different. This is a results-based business. The results are the same, actually worse than under freakin' Zorn in year one. What is this absurd idea it takes half a decade to build a solid team. How many other teams have we seen do it while we continue to falter with multiple regimes? A competent GM can turn around a team rather quickly.

I've stated a million times already that this team had different, negative, pre-conditions prior to this attempted rebuild and have had, perhaps, the worst fortune in terms of external conditions occurring DURING the rebuild. Can you tell me which team had as poor management as ours for as many years prior to rebuilding right now? Care to debate me on those points or would we just like to keep saying arbitrary things like "a competent GM can turn this team around quickly" cuz it makes us feel better? I think Mike IS a competent GM and that he CAN turn this team around quickly. We need a friggin normal offseason with no surprises for once, that would be nice.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Yeah, because I'm often going off the deep end at loses tso.

All the posts from me in general rationalizing and calming people down must be mere fallacy. As must the multitude of threads over the past 2 and a half years of this regime defending this coaching staff and more so the man at the forefront of it to the hilt.

But hey, being as your currently burying your head that deep in the sand you can doubtless see Australia on yesterday; carry on in your happy little delusion at your leisure and we'll leave well enough alone before someone has to step in again.

Hail.

[skins4eva]

Kleese, while I admire your optimism, like others have already stated, this is the worst I've felt as a skins fan in a long, long time. And that's with RGIII. Perhaps it stems from the fact that most of us have now realized that Shanny is done. He doesn't want to be here. It becomes more and more obvious with each word he utters. He's not going to show you anything. We should take the words from the entrance to hell from Dante's Inferno and paste them above Redskins Park: "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."

I didn't watch the second half of the game yesterday. For the first time that I can remember in over 25 yrs, I said screw it. I'm doing something else. I didn't watch the 4pm games. I didn't watch Dallas lose to Atlanta. I watched the Walking Dead and Homeland. I was much happier because of it.

I don't expect much from the Skins these days. But, I do expect the basics to be covered (that's too much to ask, I know). Things like coaching, effort, pride, etc. Ya know, things that professionals do. Sadly, I see a bunch of amateurs out there--guys cashing pay checks and not playing together. Guys pointing fingers and not leading. I see a locker room in disarray and coaching staff that has abandoned ship with half a season to go.

Show me something, Mike, you say? What could he possibly show you that you haven't already seen? Lackluster effort? No game plan? No second half adjustments? Dumb penalties? Loss of composure by players and coaches? Blocked punts and extra points? What could he possibly show you, realistically, that would make you think he deserves to coach this team? I'm afraid the answer is nothing.

We have a long, long road back to mediocrity. Thank goodness we've been given a talent like RGIII. Now, let's get some coaches in here that know what to do with him and the defense.

[VeroViper]

I want this to work. We have had SO much turnover in coaching staffs the last two decades. You can't build a winner that way. The one thing that's eating away at me right now though is the apparent lack of discipline on this football team. The constant penalties, mental gaffes, blown coverages, blocking assignments, you name it. That stuff is inexcuseable at this point and quite frankly those are all hallmarks of poor coaching. I don't mind giving Shanahan more time, but that garbage needs to be cleaned up in a hurry!