Shanny Has Two Weeks To Avoid Armageddon

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Sometimes. Actually, we seem to be a very well coached team every year under Shanahan the first 5 or 6 games, then all hell breaks loose. .....

Well coached teams don't have 75, that's SEVENTY FIVE penalties against their name through 9 games.

Well coached teams don't illegally lineup regularly. Often on their own plays.

Well coached teams don't have their players acting like petulant little school girls when things don't just go their way and have VERY public, and VERY costly temper tantrums in response. And veteran players at that.

Well coached teams know how to manage the clock.

Well coached teams don't allow punts to be blocked. TWO weeks in a row.

Well coached teams don't crumble like a pack of cards after a late loss, then disappear without a trace for the next two weeks. (And counting.).

This is NOT a well coached football team in 2012. But 2 and a half years in, it darn well should be at the bare minimum.

Hail.

[ChicagoRedskinsFan]

"I got news for ya, it's already here!"

Yesterday's loss was just unforgivable on so many levels. A "must win" in our own words. Week before bye. Home game against bad opponent. Homecoming game. Honoring great Redskins past who were in attendance. One week after laying an egg against the Steelers.

And we laid an egg again. Like we have done so many times over the years when we get our hopes up or when its mindblowing that we can lose a game.

I'll be surprised if we put forth too many more efforts this year like we had vs. NYG, ATL, Minny, etc.

We were 90 seconds from the division lead. 2 games and 90 seconds later, the season is over.

Yeah, how quickly the rug gets pulled out from under us. All 3 seasons under Shannahan have featured fairly promising starts, followed by swift and sudden collapses. This one was particularly cruel, with people believing things were really different now that we have the answer at QB. It would be one thing if we were 3-6 because we have a rookie QB making mistakes as he learns to play in the NFL, but to the contrary, it's been failings in almost every other area. What is there to have hope in now? RG3 deserves a better fate than this (and so do we).

[thesubmittedone]

Forgive me if I don't share in your "woe is me" shtick right now, GHH.

Well coached teams don't have 75, that's SEVENTY FIVE penalties against their name through 9 games.

I'll give you this one. But that hasn't been Shanahan's history.

Well coached teams don't illegally lineup regularly. Often on their own plays.

Oh, stop it. You're gross exaggerations are beyond pathetic, GHH. Regularly? Are you serious? It stinks cuz it seems to happen to us at the worst time, but they've been ticky tacky calls that tons of teams get away with all the time. Furthermore, we are running a very innovative and complicated offense with a lot of backfield movement.

But I guess just how cool our offense has been has nothing to do with coaching, right GHH? Oh yeah, it doesn't fit in your "complain incessantly after every loss, especially bad ones" mode.

Well coached teams don't have their players acting like petulant little school girls when things don't just go their way and have VERY public, and VERY costly temper tantrums in response. And veteran players at that.

More exaggerating, this time making DHall and Morgan equal "their players" and "veteran players". Whatever man. And DHall can be annoying, but hasn't had a VERY costly temper tantrum. The Steelers game was over, he knew it. Morgan's was inexplicable, but it was a one time thing after the replacement refs lost control of that game.

You just loooove to exaggerate to prove your point. You're actually a lot like DHall with your tantrums after losses. You should totally love DHall. We never fail to get a doom thread from you after a loss. It gets old. I'm starting to wish I didn't defend you against GSF when he went off on you a few weeks back after you went into said mode.

Well coached teams know how to manage the clock.

Shanahan has been decent at managing the clock. We've had a chance at the end of games almost every time this season too. Against the Bengals and Rams we ran beautiful two minute drills but still lost, and we ran an amazing one against Tampa and won.

But, yeah, those don't count. Nope. Only the losses do. Coaches suck.

Well coached teams don't allow punts to be blocked. TWO weeks in a row.

Damnit, you're exaggerating can be maddening. The first blocked punt happened because our long snapper BROKE HIS ARM ON THE PLAY. The second one was inexcusable, but you're point still is false.

Well coached teams don't crumble like a pack of cards after a late loss, then disappear without a trace for the next two weeks. (And counting.).

Teams with major holes can have losing sprees that have little to do with coaching.

This is NOT a well coached football team in 2012. But 2 and a half years in, it darn well should be at the bare minimum.

Hail.

I think it's not that bad. I think our secondary is so bad and our front seven is unable to make up for it like we thought that it has ruined everything else for our team. Now our offense plays in desperation mode and we saw what happens when going for it on 4th and goal fails.



But, whatever. I know this is somehow therapeutic for you.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

And one day you'll respond by telling the truth through your personal swipes at me.

But meh, if the cap fits and all.

Now, as I didn't go down that tawdry road with yourself tso in the post I responded above, I'll ask you to please refrain from anything further as this is fast becoming tedious to the readers I'm sure. And fast getting on the last nerves of those we don't want to get on the last nerves of.

Hail.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I'm concerned but still holding out hope...I'd love to see second half surge and some nice feelings heading into year 4!

[Destino]

Sometimes. Actually, we seem to be a very well coached team every year under Shanahan the first 5 or 6 games, then all hell breaks loose. It has happened every year so far. I think that is a product of talent more than anything else... this year, we were able to overcome injuries better than in recent past but we're still a ways from being able to overcome any and all injuries.

So a team leading the league in penalties with a constant stream of mental mistakes is a well coached team? Perhaps I have a different definition.

[MrJL]

So a team leading the league in penalties with a constant stream of mental mistakes is a well coached team? Perhaps I have a different definition.

I've seen far to many phantom penalties and trash calls to really be upset with that. The TD at the end of the game, where the ref called one back after Griffin ran it in? The ref put his hand on flag and didn't pull it until the score.

[thesubmittedone]

I've seen far to many phantom penalties and trash calls to really be upset with that. The TD at the end of the game, where the ref called one back after Griffin ran it in? The ref put his hand on flag and didn't pull it until the score.

I'm with you on that. But Destino is half-right, except this is unlike a Shanahan coached team. We haven't been this bad penalty-wise under him before, either. Wasn't there a stretch last season (or was it 2010?) where we were the least penalized team or something?

It's kind of annoying though that you guys are only latching on to the penalties this year as an indication of bad coaching. That could also be due to the fact that we're a younger, more inexperienced team in terms of starters. But, penalties aren't the only thing that correlates to coaching, and I don't think you even meant that alone when you asked the question Destino.

I guess we can just overlook the fact that Mike and Kyle were the talk of the NFL for the first quarter and a half of the season due to how innovative and fitting to RG3 it was. Yup. All of our coaches suck.

Look, I think we need a better defensive coordinator. I'm not as down on Danny Smith as a lot are here because I see all Special Teams around the NFL make mistakes every game. Heck, Pittsburgh had a TD on a return called back against us, didn't they? I'm sure we can improve that unit as well, but I don't think there is a pressing need there. But I like Kyle as our coordinator and I think Mike is a good head coach. Another losing skid has us all crazy, but I'm not one to go back on my word so easily. I believed this rebuild needed a full five years from the onset and that's what I'm going to give it. Especially after watching us have the incredible misfortune of crazy offseasons every single year WHILE REBUILDING. This upcoming offseason will be the first one without anything crazy happening or any surprises, so I'm looking forward to our best one yet.

[konga2145]

Here it is. The Eagles have lost , which means all NFC East teams lost this week, so as far as division goes , we are in same place, 3 games behind. With 5 division games left, even if we don't catch Giants we are only 1 game behind rest of East, which must mean our division sucks, Why is everyone up in air. We will rebound.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Forgive me if I don't share in your "woe is me" shtick right now, GHH.

Dude, you really have an extreme problem with ppl having an opposing view from yours don't you?

Everything has to be a personal attack...why?

Not everyone is going to share the same point of view as you. You had no reason to come that hard at GHH...hell, in fact he was on your side against me last week.

Take the advice you gave to me earlier today....calm down

---------- Post added November-5th-2012 at 11:57 PM ----------

Sorry mods...the state of the team is sending our board down a dark road...yet again

[SkinsFTW]

Actually, we seem to be a very well coached team every year under Shanahan the first 5 or 6 games, then all hell breaks loose. It has happened every year so far.

It also happened every year since 2005 when he coached Denver. He got fired for it there. It's not the talent but even if it is, he had full control there for a decade. His Redskins and Broncos teams since 2005 all lost at least 4 of their 6 final games. Actually that goes for most of his teams that weren't dominating. They all gave up on their coach. Wanna bet that we finish better than 5-11? The odds are just about 100% that we won't based on history.

[thesubmittedone]

Dude, you really have an extreme problem with ppl having an opposing view from yours don't you?

Everything has to be a personal attack...why?

Not everyone is going to share the same point of view as you. You had no reason to come that hard at GHH...hell, in fact he was on your side against me last week.

Take the advice you gave to me earlier today....calm down

---------- Post added November-5th-2012 at 11:57 PM ----------

Sorry mods...the state of the team is sending our board down a dark road...yet again

No, it has nothing with to do with opposing views but everything to do with how they're presented. I think I've made that much clear, but I know it's getting under your skin since you're one of the posters who are taking this board down you're aforementioned "dark road". This board goes to crap when we start losing like this because we have too many posts saying the same damn miserable thing over and over like it is pushing the discussion along when, in reality, it's just tantrum-throwing.

So, no dude, I don't have a problem with opposing views. I just have a problem with whiney complaining that clogs up 90% of the board. I swear, you can hear the crying when you log on to ES right now. It ruins something I hold dear.

And as for GHH, he becomes a different poster after a loss, perhaps swayed by the outrageous amount of "we deserve better" and "woe is me" posts and that does personally bother me, so there is that.

---------- Post added November-6th-2012 at 04:44 AM ----------

It also happened every year since 2005 when he coached Denver. He got fired for it there. It's not the talent but even if it is, he had full control there for a decade. His Redskins and Broncos teams since 2005 all lost at least 4 of their 6 final games. Actually that goes for most of his teams that weren't dominating. They all gave up on their coach. Wanna bet that we finish better than 5-11? The odds are just about 100% that we won't based on history.

I think "losing control of the team" is a simplistic view. In 2005, didnt they go deep into the playoffs, by the way?

Anyway, his Bronco teams fell apart due to both Cutlers turnover problems as well as Defensive collapses. Furthermore, everyone was shocked when he got fired because the Broncos we're clearly trending in the right direction after they went into a semi-rebuild mode following 05 I believe. We havent had the same issues here, the last couple years have been more about an inability to sustain injuries and this year is not much different, except the cap penalty severely hampered out ability to get better in the secondary. Furthermore, this has been a total overhaul with only a few players from the previous roster making this team or any other team for that matter which says a lot about what our state was. Look at how when Mcdaniels took over that Bronco team and let go of a bunch of players practically EVERY ONE OF THEM was picked up immediately and are STILL productive players in the NFL.

Sorry, but this whole thing about the Redskins "giving up" or Shanahan "losing the locker room" is so utterly impossible for anyone to truly recognize unless they know every responsibility of every player on the field and are in the locker room everyday that, when brought up as fact, simply discredits the person. I see our players trying. I see them drop a pass not for a lack of effort, but because they're thinking too much or want to make a play before bringing it in. I see them miss tackles not because they dont want to wrap a guy up but because they are not in a good position in the first place due to both scheme and just being slower than the opposition.

I simply can not call that a lack of effort.

[Coach Janky Spanky]

Good thread.

First off, I believe that if this is Shanahan's last season (and I think no way that happens), all is not lost and the most important outcome of the Shanahan regime will be seeing the owner take a huge step back and let football people run the show.

Tough to see teams like Indy bounce back so fast from being so bad. But I think we still need to be patient, no matter how this season ends. We are still dealing with the hangover from the Snyder/Cerrato years....in the form of Deangelo Hall and his contract, the Albert Haynesworth situation resulting in the cap penalties, the remaining lack of quality depth in the secondary, etc...

Sure, one can say we have had time to address these over the last three years, but these have not been a normal three years because of the lockout, the cap penalties, the lack of high draft picks in 2010. I think Shanahan deserves even more leeway than otherwise....and even in a normal situation, 3 years is too short in my opinion. Given the coaching carousel in past years, I think we as a fanbase need to gird our loins and be prepared for the full 5 years. And I think we'll be rewarded when we do so.

The night is darkest just before the dawn. We're young, we're banged-up, and we're only 2 weeks removed from an incredible game against the Giants on the road. No matter how this season ends (and I hope it ends well to create some positive momentum for next season), I truly believe we're in a good place.

[quettefan]

Please, dear god, NO!

If we're going to fire Mike Shanahan, and essentially clean house, I want us to do what we've been needing to do. Hire a young, true up and comer coach (not an obscure position coach like Zorn was) but maybe get a guy like Mike McCoy (OC Denver), Greg Roman (OC San Fran), Vic Fangio (DC San Fran) or Perry Fewell. Hell, promote Kyle for goodness sake.

If Shanahan is out of here, I'm personally done with retreads.

not saying hiring Gruden is what I want...just making a prediction on what Snyder might be more inclined to do (he always seems to go for the splash). I'd LOVE to see Mike McCoy here!; any OC who could win with Tebow and then turn around and change his scheme to accommodate and then win with Manning gets my vote

[Coach Janky Spanky]

not saying hiring Gruden is what I want...just making a prediction on what Snyder might be more inclined to do (he always seems to go for the splash). I'd LOVE to see Mike McCoy here!; any OC who could win with Tebow and then turn around and change his scheme to accommodate and then win with Manning gets my vote

Starting yet another system 3 years into the rebuild will significantly hamper the Redskins success going forward. The guys Shanahan has picked, especially O-line and RBs, are specially suited for his offensive system and if Shanahan goes we can expect a dramatic drop-off in their production.

But if it happens, I like to think (perhaps naively) that Bruce Allen is making the decision and the days of Snyder wanting to make a coaching splash are over.