IF Shanahan is let go, who do you want as the new head coach and GM next year?

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

I'm off the opinion that the only kind of coach who has any chance of succeeding here is someone with the pedigree to tell Danny to back off. Shanahan had that. Gibbs had that. Marty had that.

Zorn did not. Spurrier did not (and probably didn't want to tell anyone to back off anyway). Norv did not.

The Hot Young Coordinator is not going to be able to do that. The only people that can do that are in the Sean Payton class.

That's a problem. But I have no idea how to solve it.

Idk...if you could find a young coordinator like one of the Harbaughs, I'm sure they would have no problem telling him to **** off

[Enter Apotheosis]

I don't get this. Prior to Shanahan, we had two coaches in six years, and four of those years were under the leadership of Gibbs. When Gibbs left, we transitioned into Cerrato who had been here forever. We were a model of stability during those six years.

Two coaches in six years isn't very stable.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Two coaches in six years isn't very stable.

It's not chaos, and it should not have left a burning tire fire for Shanahan to deal with. When Shanahan got where, we were two years removed from a playoff berth.

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

X2........ The over reacting to our coaching staff is getting ridiculous!! The coaches are taking this team in the right direction, but they can only work with what they have.

This is true, the coaching staff can only work with what they have. But the coaching staff also brought in who they are working with. I agree with the people that say "we are tired of the revolving door" but I don't think we should keep a guy around who has coached as poorly as Shanahan has just for the sake of continuity.

[Enter Apotheosis]

This is true, the coaching staff can only work with what they have. But the coaching staff also brought in who they are working with. I agree with the people that say "we are tired of the revolving door" but I don't think we should keep a guy around who has coached as poorly as Shanahan has just for the sake of continuity.

Coached as poorly as Shanahan? If you have any reason to think we need to move on it should be related to his role in handling the personnel of the team, not his ability as a coach. If you honestly think the offensive coaching is a problem, I would kindly urge you to go find a cliff and jump off it.

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

I'm off the opinion that the only kind of coach who has any chance of succeeding here is someone with the pedigree to tell Danny to back off. Shanahan had that. Gibbs had that. Marty had that.

Zorn did not. Spurrier did not (and probably didn't want to tell anyone to back off anyway). Norv did not.

The Hot Young Coordinator is not going to be able to do that. The only people that can do that are in the Sean Payton class.

That's a problem. But I have no idea how to solve it.

It doesn't have to be a coach though. Dan should be getting a general manager that will tell him to back off. Let the no BS general manager run the show and the rest will fall in line (hopefully). Bring in a guy like Ozzie Newsome or Jerry Reese and then you will see a change in the culture.

---------- Post added November-6th-2012 at 04:14 PM ----------

Coached as poorly as Shanahan? If you have any reason to think we need to move on it should be related to his role as it pertains to the personnel aspect of the team, not his ability as a coach. If you honestly think the offensive coaching is a problem, I would kindly urge you to go find a cliff and jump off it.

Yeah, because that solid play call we ended the game with was a great call. I like 75% of the offensive play calling but stuff like putting Banks in the backfield so he can run for -2 yards isn't creative its just poor coaching. Also letting Robert Griffin get crushed running a fly route didn't seem like the best idea. When the offense sticks to the basics its great, but when they start getting too creative it usually backfires. Maybe I will jump off the same cliff the franchise did.

[Enter Apotheosis]

It's not chaos, and it should not have left a burning tire fire for Shanahan to deal with. When Shanahan got where, we were two years removed from a playoff berth.

Do you remember what our offensive line looked like in 2009?
Do you remember the state of our roster depth under Gibbs?
Did Andre Carter, Phillip Daniels, Albert Haynesworth, and Cornelius Griffin have much of a future here? Did we have anyone behind them?
What could we have done to salvage the careers of Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly?
Do you think Carlos Rogers would have had the same success had he stayed in DC? Was Landry a long-term solution at safety?
Is there a free agent QB or 2010/2011 draft pick you would rather have than Griffin?

This team was a complete and total disaster when Shanahan got hired on. Gibbs did nothing to build for the future or even build depth for his team and Cerrato was completely incompetent. We're lucky we didn't wind up challenging the 2008 Lions as one of the worst teams of all time because we were certainly headed in that direction (might I add we barely beat them that year).

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Do you remember what our offensive line looked like in 2009?
Do you remember the state of our roster depth under Gibbs?
Did Andre Carter, Phillip Daniels, Albert Haynesworth, and Cornelius Griffin have much of a future here? Did we have anyone behind them?
What could we have done to salvage the careers of Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly?
Do you think Carlos Rogers would have had the same success had he stayed in DC? Was Landry a long-term solution at safety?
Is there a free agent QB or 2010/2011 draft pick you would rather have than Griffin?

This team was a complete and total disaster when Shanahan got hired on. Gibbs did nothing to build for the future or even build depth for his team and Cerrato was completely incompetent. We're lucky we didn't wind up challenging the 2008 Lions as one of the worst teams of all time because we were certainly headed in that direction (might I add we barely beat them that year).

Okay. It was the worst roster in NFL history and it will take 15 years to rebuild.

[Enter Apotheosis]

Yeah, because that solid play call we ended the game with was a great call. I like 75% of the offensive play calling but stuff like putting Banks in the backfield so he can run for -2 yards isn't creative its just poor coaching. Also letting Robert Griffin get crushed running a fly route didn't seem like the best idea. When the offense sticks to the basics its great, but when they start getting too creative it usually backfires. Maybe I will jump off the same cliff the franchise did.

You must have some serious confirmation bias because those plays have been in the minority by far this season. Regarding the play to end the Panthers game, any play they would have run had an unbelievably low chance of success. Griffin couldn't have thrown it to the end zone from that far away, so any play we chose would have required excellent blocking and running after the catch or that ridiculous lateral bull**** that never works. They chose to try and create a return-type situation for Banks, which was not a bad idea if you trust Banks (I don't) and wasn't going to be much better or worse than any other option at our disposal at the time. The people I heard griping about the play are the worst kinds of football fans because choosing that play to ***** and moan about is entirely symptomatic of someone who doesn't know enough about the game to do anything more than misplace blame.

---------- Post added November-6th-2012 at 04:42 PM ----------

Okay. It was the worst roster in NFL history and it will take 15 years to rebuild.

Yes, that is exactly the point I was trying to make.

[The Tris]

@Snide_Remarks
Former @Redskins beat writer Jim Ducibella told me Marty Schottenheimer would be the perfect next coach for team. Sadly, I agreed.

Full circle baby!

[Brotherz]

Okay. It was the worst roster in NFL history and it will take 15 years to rebuild.

I get it (believe me I get it) - I am beyond frustrated at this team and watching the freakin colts makes my blood boil. BUT, while it isn't an excuse there really has been some serious issues for this regime to deal with since they got here IN ADDITION to the oldest roster on the planet, ridiculous backloaded contracts/cap hell etc:

1) The lockout - Free agency was seriously restricted during this time remember?

2) Lack of draft picks - its hard to replace all that dead weight without them.

3) The cap penalties - REALLY tough and the timing of them was absolutely inexcusable from the league. Not an excuse but damn that really really hurt.

[illone]

Andy Reid wouldn't be the worst idea. He had some pretty good teams in the past and is pretty good developer of qb position. He wouldnt come super expensive, has never won it all, and runs the type of scheme that RG3 will succeed running.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Full circle baby!

I wouldn't mind bringing back Marty and his audible.

Christ, how old is Marty now?

[Enter Apotheosis]

Andy Reid wouldn't be the worst idea. He had some pretty good teams in the past and is pretty good developer of qb position. He wouldnt come super expensive, has never won it all, and runs the type of scheme that RG3 will succeed running.

Those are all reasons why we have Shanahan now, sans the super-expensive thing which is completely irrelevant.

[Redskins Diehard]

This is true, the coaching staff can only work with what they have. But the coaching staff also brought in who they are working with. I agree with the people that say "we are tired of the revolving door" but I don't think we should keep a guy around who has coached as poorly as Shanahan has just for the sake of continuity.

The coaching staff can only bring in the people they have the resources to bring in. We were positioned pretty well up until about 10 minutes before free agency started. You think they would have brought in the same people if they had 18 million more?