NFL.com: Report: Mike Shanahan's comments bother Redskins

[thesubmittedone]

That's all well and good, but Shanahan opened the doors for this with his comment. Not the other way around. "Do as I say, not as I do," isn't quite as good as leading by example.

I don't think there is any possible way out of this for you in your mind, so I won't bother humoring you about it. It's not as big a deal as the media is going to make it, or already are making it, and the players have to be idiots to not see that. But, whatever... if they complain then at least you know who the idiots on the team are.

---------- Post added November-5th-2012 at 11:15 AM ----------

Give one good reason why the team should trust HIM.

I can give you two. In a row.

[thesubmittedone]

double post

[dcdiscokid]

Out of those 4, did any advance to the Superbowl or AFC / NFC title game?

I reckon there is still a chance, but it's slim. Maybe I'm not bothered by the comments b/c I didn't really have high expectations for this team. After watching them in the preseason, I felt this team would be mediocre at best (7-9 to a 9-7 type team). After the last few weeks, I'm thinking I'm probably wrong and this team may be more like 6-10.

the 1996 Jaguars went to the AFC Title game and lost to the Patiorits

---------- Post added November-5th-2012 at 01:17 PM ----------

Out of those 4, did any advance to the Superbowl or AFC / NFC title game?

I reckon there is still a chance, but it's slim. Maybe I'm not bothered by the comments b/c I didn't really have high expectations for this team. After watching them in the preseason, I felt this team would be mediocre at best (7-9 to a 9-7 type team). After the last few weeks, I'm thinking I'm probably wrong and this team may be more like 6-10.

the 1996 Jaguars went to the AFC Title game and lost to the Patriots

[skins island connection]

Because the horse does not go before the cart. Ever.

When they are posting historically BAD defensive numbers, and are on the verge of being literally the WORST pass defense in history, then they have absolutely no reason or right to be able to look at ANYONE else...
After playing as bad as they do, the very idea they can complain about their coach telling them this, then they can GTFO.


IMO, if a player gives up, cut them.
I'd cut Lorenzo for that comment.
enough making friends with losers. Cut a guy. Scare these little kids who populate our locker room.
Let them realize that given THEIR performance, this is possibly the last stop on their career.
Let them know this isn't a privelege in which they have to be treated nicely when they fail this badly.

They don't blow schemes that are too hard to run or comprehend, they blow fundamentals.
They are phycially unable to do their jobs, and SHOULD be put on notice.

~Bang

Question for ya Bang; not that i'm disagreeing with you, just curious about the talent/information aspect of it.
Would any of the blame properly fall on scouting? One thing i'm not familiar with is the scouting; I know they're involved with college players, but what about FAs?
I agree this is the absolute LAST thing the team needs during a bye week; it sets them up for a humongous blow-out coming back; but this could also be a psychological mind**** inverted into a reverse motivational expectancy of the players. Whatever that means..lol.

Maybe this is what the team as a whole needs to re-evaluate themselves and their performances, air out the dirty laundry and come back swinging. I'm kinda hoping this is the intention, but it ultimately depends on the individual players to look themselves in the mirror and tell themselves ' I can and will do better'...

[martytheman]

of course he wants to cover his ass

this was the bigger problem I have with the tail end of that article:

Shanahan also said he was not planning on making any coaching staff chances during the bye week as Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid did three weeks ago when he fired his defensive coordinator.

Why the flippin' **** not?????
is he THAT blind?????

[thesubmittedone]

The comment was stupid. simple as that.

He's getting ripped by everyone. It started an unnecessary ****storm for a team that is desperately trying to get away from Zorn, Bingo, and Haynesworth.

The team didn't need that going into a bye.

It's his fault...don't blame the players for him being stupid

The team needed a win going into the bye. Mike said if we didn't win it would be negative all week during the bye. Looks like that, maybe, he wanted it to be. I'd think he has a better idea of what this team "needs" than anything you can conjure up. You've been on a negative rampage the last two weeks, you're not tired yet? You've got like 100 posts of doom and gloom. Calm down, man.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

I can give you two. In a row.

Well obviously, but I was looking at recent history.

Not something that happened in the 90s...and for a different franchise.

[wes]

For some reason over the last 10 years this team has played to the level of it's opponet!! It dosen't matter who the coach has been or the players. We almost beat the Falcon's, Giant's And lose to the Panther's and Ram's Bengal's teams we should have beaten!! It been that way for a long time. So who's falt is it?

This team has lost two of the front seven on D that everyone was saying is gonna be very good. That hurts. Then you have a secondary that is filled with bandaid players because thats all that was avaliable.

Now the O is headed in the right direction at QB and RB. But RGIII has lost his two top targets. I think Hankerson could be a realy good player but they just dont go to him on third down or in the redzone like they should.

So if this team want to bit## and moan about a coach calling then out then make a play!! on either side of the ball. Stop the other team on third a two. The Tv broadcast crew along with everyone in the country knew Can was gonna run with the Dam ball. Just make a play. Cover a WR and quit gripping at the Refs. Its getting old.

[thesubmittedone]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/85...ot-giving-2012

new on espn

There ya go, Hunter. When read in context it isn't nearly what it's being made out to be no matter how much any of the weak-minded among the media and our fans want it to be. I'm sure you all will say Mike is lying or back-tracking but, whatever. That's nice. One will believe as they wish. The fact is, he didn't say he was giving up, ever. He immediately followed his original comment with "we're not out of statistically" which lends credence to his statement about it today.

But, yeah... I really don't think the media nor the fans are going to stop about this. It's good for the fans who like to cry to cry about and it's great for the media to feed those fans.

[Redskins4ever]

Perhaps Shanahan said what he said out of frustration. His Redskins lost a home game by 8 points to a bad 1-5 team. There was no QB protection, too many hits on RG3, continued blown coverages on defense, and absolutely no pass rush. I'd be pretty steamed too if my team played like this at home against a losing team like the Panthers.

[thesubmittedone]

Well obviously, but I was looking at recent history.

Not something that happened in the 90s...and for a different franchise.

Don't care. He's earned his respect.

[Bang]

Question for ya Bang; not that i'm disagreeing with you, just curious about the talent/information aspect of it.
Would any of the blame properly fall on scouting? One thing i'm not familiar with is the scouting; I know they're involved with college players, but what about FAs?
I agree this is the absolute LAST thing the team needs during a bye week; it sets them up for a humongous blow-out coming back; but this could also be a psychological mind**** inverted into a reverse motivational expectancy of the players. Whatever that means..lol.

Maybe this is what the team as a whole needs to re-evaluate themselves and their performances, air out the dirty laundry and come back swinging. I'm kinda hoping this is the intention, but it ultimately depends on the individual players to look themselves in the mirror and tell themselves ' I can and will do better'...

When things are this bad, everyone is suspect, and everyone should be under scrutiny.
Our scouting dept. was lacking considerably when Mike took over, and I'm not sure what they've done to bolster it. (Scouting hires and fires aren't usually discussed, so i dont' know)

Considering we've had some successes and some failures at th free agency table, I'd say it maybe hasn't changed too much.

I really think that the 11th hour salary cap hit certainly affected our ability to bring in some quality depth, and a few key injuries (Carriker, Orakpo specifically) have really exposed that.
In some ways, circumstances make it so we are stuck with guys like Doughty and Madoo-doo.

but by saying that, what it says is that we were 2 or 3 injuries away from being the worst defense in history. So yeah, scouts have to be feeling that.


~Bang

[Main-Maine]

What happens once the players are starting to doubt the coach? Is it possible to come back from that?

Shannahan cuts them!

Begone!

Follow obediently to the end or hit the road!!! Most of these players are the reason the man is so sick to his stomach.

They all suck!! We have a few bright spots from the people he was able to draft early on, and the veterans that were here before he got here are just a let down to this team.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

The team needed a win going into the bye. Mike said if we didn't win it would be negative all week during the bye. Looks like that, maybe, he wanted it to be. I'd think he has a better idea of what this team "needs" than anything you can conjure up. You've been on a negative rampage the last two weeks, you're not tired yet? You've got like 100 posts of doom and gloom. Calm down, man.

You've been on a 2 year spree of "happy fun time potential" drivel...

You have blind optimism in the current regime...I don't

No need to get personal my dude

[Boss_Hogg]

So we know that Lorenzo and two unnamed players were upset with the "evaluation" comment. Any guesses as to who the unnamed players are?