NFL.com: Report: Mike Shanahan's comments bother Redskins

[zoony]

I love how everyone can judge "effort", lol. I saw guys trying hard, but they just couldn't get it done. Offensively, we moved the ball but the Panthers got some key stops and held us to field goals for the most part. Defensively, our secondary doesn't have the talent no matter how hard they try and that is due to a combination of scheme, injuries and missing cap space to bring in key contributors.

I'm definitely not going to judge the team's "effort". That's incredibly hard to do without knowing exactly what was called on the field.

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Limited early round draft picks? Really? We are missing are first rounders for the next two years, which is a big deal, but that's it. Calling that "limited" is stretching it. Furthermore, we've targeted younger players entering their prime in Free Agency thus far and we'll continue to do that.

I agree, I think the team tries hard. I think they just suck overall. We have a real vacuum of talented players.

We probably have 2 players who would start for the Giants.

[SkinsFTW]

True but the have stayed heathy. Take away five starters and several players who they were counting on for help this year and they would be in the same boat we are in.

Definitely, take away just Jared Allen and the Vikings are 2-14. Imagine any of those teams without their #1 WR, TE, LB, and both starting safeties and all their free agent money.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I agree, I think the team tries hard. I think they just suck overall. We have a real vacuum of talented players.

We probably have 2 players who would start for the Giants.

That's such a talk radio argument. A lot of fans seem to think that the most important job a head coach has is the pre game speech. It's silly.

Though sometimes, pre-game speeches do matter. I will let Fat, Bankrupt Raconteur Warren Sapp take it from here:

In preparation for [the 2002 NFC Championship Game] Jon Gruden have the single best motivational speech I've ever heard. In reality, most coaches' speeches aren't like in the movies, where the coach builds up and up the momentum until the team charges hell-bent onto the field ready to rip down the entire stadium. If a coach does give that type of speech it's usually Saturday night. The Sunday speech is the matter-of-fact review of what we need to do to win the game. All business. Gruden gave this speech at the beginning of the week. He stood up in front of us and explained that there were 10 things we needed to do to beat the Eagles. Ten Things! He went down the list one by one, blah blah blah, blah blah blah, we'd heard it all. But then he got to the number one thing we needed to do, and he started talking about their kick returner Brian Mitchell. "I want Brian Mitchell's ass on a plate," he said. "And once we finish with the Philadelphia Eagles we are going to go to San Diego for the Super Bowl..." he paused, grinned and concluded, "Where the coach is gonna get two hotel rooms for all my bitches!"

The room erupted. Exploded. That was it, that was the greatest motivational speech ever. There isn't even a second place. "The coach is gonna get two hotel rooms for all my bitches!"

[Cooleyfan1993]

to the people that are saying shanahan shouldnt be given another season..dont you all also say that this team needs continuity? i dont think firing shanahan shows continuity. then RG3 would have to learn another system. i want shanahan here another season at least.

[cphil006]

He'll clear it up... basically he said that he wants to see what kind of character this team has... he's evaluating players.... how they respond... will they keep fighting...

To the players it bothered... suck it up and... "fight on, fight on till you have won!"

[70th Week]

So we know that Lorenzo and two unnamed players were upset with the "evaluation" comment. Any guesses as to who the unnamed players are?

Shawn Springs?

[War Paint]

I think it's a lot deeper than just a talent issue. Yes, we would see a benefit from having better talent, but good coaches can scheme around the talent they have and get better production than what we've seen. Gregg Williams did some great scheming the 1st year he was here in Gibbs 2. We weren't loaded with elite talent. We had some good players, like we do now. That defense swarmed to the ball. We got a lot of pressure on QBs with smoke and mirrors. We didn't have elite talent on the line like the Giants did with Michael Strahan. I know a very good D Coor. could get a lot better results with our current roster than what we are seeing. You have to be more creative. You have to get more exotic with the blitzes. If you don't have an elite line that can just physically outplay every oline out there and get to the QB, you have to get pressure from other areas, like Gregg Williams did.

[DM72]

to the people that are saying shanahan shouldnt be given another season..dont you all also say that this team needs continuity? i dont think firing shanahan shows continuity. then RG3 would have to learn another system. i want shanahan here another season at least.

RG3 IS NOT JC. He would have no problem excelling in another system. To be honest, I don't like all these gimmick plays that the Shanahans are running for RG3. It's like they don't have confidence that he can be a drop back QB. I say get rid of the Shanahan's now.

[Bang]

RG3 IS NOT JC. He would have no problem excelling in another system. To be honest, I don't like all these gimmick plays that the Shanahans are running for RG3. It's like they don't have confidence that he can be a drop back QB. I say get rid of the Shanahan's now.

By the same token, by doing that you remove many of the threats he can present to a defense.
he can pass, sure, but he also has abilities that make him a much more threatening weapon.
the more defenses think he can do to them, the more that they have to scheme against.
and the more they have to do that, the better chance to find holes in it to exploit.


Yesterday on the play called back for an illegal formation.. he scrambled out, and the defense left Hank alone in the end zone and pursued, worried about his threat.
Instead he tosses an easy pass for a score... as easy as it can be.
(too bad for the penalty.)


~Bang

[Skinz4Life12]

He'll clear it up... basically he said that he wants to see what kind of character this team has... he's evaluating players.... how they respond... will they keep fighting...

this was my initial feeling when i heard the presser yesterday. I didn't think anything of it. I feel like his comments are getting blown out of proportion by the media, but the players need to suck it up

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

By the same token, by doing that you remove many of the threats he can present to a defense.
he can pass, sure, but he also has abilities that make him a much more threatening weapon.
the more defenses think he can do to them, the more that they have to scheme against.
and the more they have to do that, the better chance to find holes in it to exploit.


Yesterday on the play called back for an illegal formation.. he scrambled out, and the defense left Hank alone in the end zone and pursued, worried about his threat.
Instead he tosses an easy pass for a score... as easy as it can be.
(too bad for the penalty.)


~Bang

Ben Roethlisberger does the same thing. And he's a big fat guy.

You are going to have spy RGIII whether he is running this offense or Marty Schottenheimer's 1979 scheme. Every time he flinches, a defense is going to react to it.

That is a weapon that is never going away.

Just let him play QB and he will go to multiple Pro Bowls. You don't need to give him 10 designed runs a game. All that does is allow Justin Tuck to powerslam him freely.

[hawgboy]

If any undercover Skins personnel are lurking, I'd recommend making some calls to Eugene Oregon and making nice with Chip Kelly...guy's a winner who doesn't take BS from knuckleheads. And being the engineer of an explosive college offense, he'd have insight on the best way to use our sophomore year QB. Food for thought...

[thesubmittedone]

I agree, I think the team tries hard. I think they just suck overall. We have a real vacuum of talented players.

We probably have 2 players who would start for the Giants.

I think it's more than 2 players who would start, but... I think starting might be too high a standard when comparing us to the Giants considering how much continuity they've had over there in terms of coaching and schemes.

I think we've got a lot of football players that would make the Giants team as depth, though, and that's more than we can say than at any time in our recent Redskins history.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I think it's more than 2 players who would start, but... I think starting might be too high a standard when comparing us to the Giants considering how much continuity they've had over there in terms of coaching and schemes.

If continuity is so important, why do 7 to 8 teams fire their coach every single year? Are NFL teams dumb? Are the Chargers secretly brilliant?

[skins island connection]

I don't know,, many of them simply are not capable.
they can try all they want, but the results are the same.
Inadvertent whislte aside, on Williams' long TD run, did anyone else notice the angle Doughty took? Did anyone else realize as soon as you saw him coming on where he did that williams was going to score?
Serioulsy, as soon as Doughty came shooting into that gap, I said, "he's gone".

Doughty, Madieu,, it doesn't matter if they've quit. they can't play any better anyway.

~Bang

On that run, wasn't it Hall trying his ass off to get a ref to throw a flag, acting [ or possibly actually ] being held, with his hands up in the air, but I didn';t see him really making an effort to tackle the guy, he seemed more content to engaging with ther blocker...

---------- Post added November-5th-2012 at 02:22 PM ----------

If any undercover Skins personnel are lurking, I'd recommend making some calls to Eugene Oregon and making nice with Chip Kelly...guy's a winner who doesn't take BS from knuckleheads. And being the engineer of an explosive college offense, he'd have insight on the best way to use our sophomore year QB. Food for thought...

I doubt it would take a college whiz to see we need receivers who can actually CATCH the ball, much less any play designing...