NFL.com: Report: Mike Shanahan's comments bother Redskins

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

if they finished 10-6, i would feel pretty good about it to be honest...ask the cardinals, packers, steelers, and giants how their wild card runs went.

A 7-game winning streak to end the seaon would make you happy? The hell you say.....

[DogofWar1]

A 7-game winning streak to end the seaon would make you happy? The hell you say.....

Yeah, I saw that too. I'm pretty sure if we rattled off 7 wins I would become an insufferable person until we lost.

More insufferable than normal, I mean.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

Been lurking mostly lately. Haven't had the time to reside here the past couple of years.



Only brought him up because the person responding did. Just making the point that the more things change, the more things stay the same. Yes, having talent at QB is important, but the QB is dependent on a lot of other positions performing as well. One player doesn't do it by himself in this league.

Agreed...

[G1]

You said a mouthful there.
Doughty tries, but he'/s too slow .. on his feet, and on the uptake. he's late on his coverage assignments almost always.
He tackles like a creampuff.

Madieu Williams.. same story.. he reads plays about as well as my dog reads the dictionary. (He does OK with "roof".. but that's about it.)

better safeties would instantly make the defense exponentially better. What we have now as our starters are by far the worst pair in the league, and probably into division 1 NCAA. And unfortunately, getting Brandon Merriwether back makes it only a LITTLE better.

~Bang

I know this is using a massive amount of hindisght but Shannahan has final say on personell and he let Otogwe and Landry walk (and, for that matter, Carlos Rogers). I have the benefit of hindsight and Shanny doesn't but Shanny is paid $$$millions to have enough good judgment not to need hindsight.

I know Otogwe is out of the league but would anyone say what we now have is better?

I know Landry was coming off injury curtailed seasons but he's played every game for the Jets and Marriweather (with a chequered past), who was let go by the Patriots and Bears lets not fiorget, hasn't played a down due to - injury.

I know they probably though Tanard Jackson could play but even he should have come with big red flags.

I think there has been some serious mis-judgment, poor talent evaluation and flat out bad decision making when it comes to our safeties and secondary. It's not just bad luck on the part of the staff that we have such a lack of talent there. It's partly down to their decisions.

[redskins4ever28]

The seasons over. The schedule is insanely tough downt he stretch. Philly x 2, Dallas x 2, NYg again, Baltimore, Cleveland (whose a lot better than people think). But, regardless, Shannys comments are inappropriate. Blown out of proportion or not, its inappropriate. My fear is that Snyder sees doing things the right way didnt work and he goes back to what he did before. Im hoping this doesnt happen, but with Danny boy, anythings possible. If they do fire Shanny, I just hope they get a good coach. Andy Reid, Bruce Arians, guys that can groom a QB, thats what I want. Defense can be fixxed with a good Coordinator like Wade Phillips or Rob Ryan. I know people hate Rob Ryan, but the Ryan brothers are defensive masterminds.

[21Knock_U_Out]

Aww.. the defense doesn't like being told they SUCK?

simple solution, losers.

Play better.

The defense is an absolute joke.
If they get upset with their coach for telling them that, then **** them.

As fart as I'm concerned, if the coach says that, and you're part of the 45th ranked defense in a 32 team league, then shut your ****ing mouth and recognize how little room you have to say anything.

I like Lorenzo, but damn, you want to not think about next year? You don't like hearing this?
BEAT YOUR MAN ONCE. Get a ****ing GLOVE on Cam friggin' Newton for cryin' out loud.


the question as far as the defense is concerned isn't "is mike going to lose them".. it's "Why the hell should Mike KEEP them"

~Bang

Haha this pretty much sums it up for me. If you cant make the plays then u shouldn't be here! Peace!

[pjfootballer]

BTW, I realize I'm in the minority, but I believe the play calls are right, for the most part. It's the execution that's crap. Haslett has called the right plays more often than not, but the secondary couldn't cover Stephen Hawking with a bag of sand in his lap. I don't think that going for it on 4th down, three times in the same drive, was the right move for a team as mentally weak as this one. Take the points, draw the score closer, and let these children called professional football players gain some confidence.

I had to at that. I think it's combination of both bad play calling and bad execution.

Reporter: "What do think of your teams execution?"

Former Buccaneers head coach John McKay: "I'm all for it!"

[mr_apropos]

You know, the more I think about it.. it was the perfect comment the perfect time. He knew exactly what he was doing. Brilliant!

Notice now that we're in the off week we're talking about how poorly the team has performed but instead of beating up on individual players *D-Hall, I'm looking at you* we're talking about the Coach. The players are being asked what they thought of his comment, and not the horrible play that elicited the comment. That is a Good Thing. Now Shanny gets to explain for the next week why he hasn't thrown in the towel, that there is a lot left to play for, and not so subtly remind players they have more on the line than just next week when they get out there.

HTTR!

[pjfootballer]

I know this is using a massive amount of hindisght but Shannahan has final say on personell and he let Otogwe and Landry walk (and, for that matter, Carlos Rogers). I have the benefit of hindsight and Shanny doesn't but Shanny is paid $$$millions to have enough good judgment not to need hindsight.

I know Otogwe is out of the league but would anyone say what we now have is better?

I know Landry was coming off injury curtailed seasons but he's played every game for the Jets and Marriweather (with a chequered past), who was let go by the Patriots and Bears lets not fiorget, hasn't played a down due to - injury.

I know they probably though Tanard Jackson could play but even he should have come with big red flags.

I think there has been some serious mis-judgment, poor talent evaluation and flat out bad decision making when it comes to our safeties and secondary. It's not just bad luck on the part of the staff that we have such a lack of talent there. It's partly down to their decisions.

You know, I think the FO gets too much flack for the Tanard Jackson signing. They "knew" it was more likely he'd be suspended than play. He was signed for 1 year with a minimal contract and as far as I know, the player does not get paid if he is suspended. So, they didn't use draft picks, they didn't sign him to a long term deal and he can be released without any cap hit whatsoever. So why does everyone get so up in arms about this? The FO took a small risk and it didn't work out. No skin off our teeth basically. We can re-sign him after the SB for next year. Or is it because fans got their damn hopes up too much about the possibility of him playing and now need to blame the FO?

And I'm tired of people bringing up Landry, Otogwe and Rogers. Were we really a "stud" secondary with these 3 guys back there? Landry was good for 1/2 a season most times, so Reed was forced to play alot, just like now. Otogwe looked lost the one year he was in our defense and has been injury prone the last 2 years, so he probably wouldn't be in the lineup right now along with Landry. And Rogers couldn't see or catch. He had one great year in SF, they re-signed him to a 1 year deal, because just like the Redskins, the Niners weren't willing to give him a long term deal until he proved it for more than 1 year. And guess what, he's been dropping passes and not getting INTs this year.

So this damn hindsight about those 3 players is just getting on my ever loving nerves. This is why the team and the fans don't progress. We're constantly looking at the past as if some magical fairy will come along and bless the team with players from the past. I witnessed the 80s live and it still gets on my nerves when fans want to do things now the way we did things in the 80s. Really? You want to have the Hogs and Riggo Drill again?

The only way to right this ship is to look at the present and the future. Look ahead, not behind. Stop living in the past. Quite frankly, I want the day to come where I'll forget what happened in Redskin football from 1993 to 2012.

[Skinzfever2010]

You know, I think the FO gets too much flack for the Tanard Jackson signing. They "knew" it was more likely he'd be suspended than play. He was signed for 1 year with a minimal contract and as far as I know, the player does not get paid if he is suspended. So, they didn't use draft picks, they didn't sign him to a long term deal and he can be released without any cap hit whatsoever. So why does everyone get so up in arms about this? The FO took a small risk and it didn't work out. No skin off our teeth basically. We can re-sign him after the SB for next year. Or is it because fans got their damn hopes up too much about the possibility of him playing and now need to blame the FO?

And I'm tired of people bringing up Landry, Otogwe and Rogers. Were we really a "stud" secondary with these 3 guys back there? Landry was good for 1/2 a season most times, so Reed was forced to play alot, just like now. Otogwe looked lost the one year he was in our defense and has been injury prone the last 2 years, so he probably wouldn't be in the lineup right now along with Landry. And Rogers couldn't see or catch. He had one great year in SF, they re-signed him to a 1 year deal, because just like the Redskins, the Niners weren't willing to give him a long term deal until he proved it for more than 1 year. And guess what, he's been dropping passes and not getting INTs this year.

So this damn hindsight about those 3 players is just getting on my ever loving nerves. This is why the team and the fans don't progress. We're constantly looking at the past as if some magical fairy will come along and bless the team with players from the past. I witnessed the 80s live and it still gets on my nerves when fans want to do things now the way we did things in the 80s. Really? You want to have the Hogs and Riggo Drill again?

The only way to right this ship is to look at the present and the future. Look ahead, not behind. Stop living in the past. Quite frankly, I want the day to come where I'll forget what happened in Redskin football from 1993 to 2012.

I'm confused, our coach is our GM. He blew up a secondary that was far from our teams problem and created unnecessary holes on our defense that need to be filled again. That is why you hear Landry & Rogers names. It's a dab of hindsight mixed with observing our current secondary which isn't good at all.

As a result we have to find picks and money in the FA to address positions that we have spent countless picks on the last 8 years. IF IT ISN'T BROKEN THAN LEAVE IT ALONE MIKE. We don't have the money to throw at the best CB/S. These are the mistakes that set us back even more.

For the record, LaRon Landry is 100% again and is playing fine in NY. What the hell is up with our training staff?

[justice98]

I know this is using a massive amount of hindisght but Shannahan has final say on personell and he let Otogwe and Landry walk (and, for that matter, Carlos Rogers). I have the benefit of hindsight and Shanny doesn't but Shanny is paid $$$millions to have enough good judgment not to need hindsight.

I know Otogwe is out of the league but would anyone say what we now have is better?

I know Landry was coming off injury curtailed seasons but he's played every game for the Jets and Marriweather (with a chequered past), who was let go by the Patriots and Bears lets not fiorget, hasn't played a down due to - injury.

I know they probably though Tanard Jackson could play but even he should have come with big red flags.

I think there has been some serious mis-judgment, poor talent evaluation and flat out bad decision making when it comes to our safeties and secondary. It's not just bad luck on the part of the staff that we have such a lack of talent there. It's partly down to their decisions.

That's one area of the team that simply is clearly worse than when he got here. You could argue everywhere else is either better or the same.

[DogofWar1]

I know this is using a massive amount of hindisght but Shannahan has final say on personell and he let Otogwe and Landry walk (and, for that matter, Carlos Rogers). I have the benefit of hindsight and Shanny doesn't but Shanny is paid $$$millions to have enough good judgment not to need hindsight.

I know Otogwe is out of the league but would anyone say what we now have is better?

I know Landry was coming off injury curtailed seasons but he's played every game for the Jets and Marriweather (with a chequered past), who was let go by the Patriots and Bears lets not fiorget, hasn't played a down due to - injury.

I know they probably though Tanard Jackson could play but even he should have come with big red flags.

I think there has been some serious mis-judgment, poor talent evaluation and flat out bad decision making when it comes to our safeties and secondary. It's not just bad luck on the part of the staff that we have such a lack of talent there. It's partly down to their decisions.

Otogwe couldn't stay healthy, he'd be on IR by now. Landry was gone because if he was going to play here he wasn't accepting anything less than a big contract, and if he was going to accept the 1-year prove-it deal, it wasn't going to be here.

And people keep talking about 'Los, but he was like Landry. He wasn't worth the big contract, but if he was going to stay, he demanded it. If he was going to take a 1-year deal, it wasn't going to be here.

The problem with safeties this offseason was that all the major talent got franchise tagged. There wasn't really anyone good on the market we could have acquired. Branch, Goldson, and Griffin all got tagged. Add in the cap penalty, and we were really out of the market. Meriweather and Jackson were the two best talents we could get, and they were actually near the top of the safety market in terms of ability, which tells you just how bad the market was.

Then Jackson got suspended and Meriweather got injured and it all went straight to hell. Does Shanahan deserve some of the blame? I suppose yes, but he was trying to make the best of a bad situation. Next year will be better, there are some decent guys hitting the market, assuming, of course, they don't all get franchise tagged.

EDIT: People need to understand, Rogers and Landry DID NOT WANT TO PLAY HERE! Not for what their market value was! Landry would NOT have taken a 3.5M 1-year deal from us. Rogers would not have taken a 1-year minimum deal with us. They wanted a big contract, way above their market value, or they wanted out. So they were shown the door.

Stop pretending like we threw them out and they were innocent victims. They weren't. They were jerks who wouldn't take responsibility for their failures (Carlos needed eye work, Landry needed, and will still need, surgery), and wanted more money than they were worth.

[Skinzfever2010]

We don't have money or picks to waste on secondary. Landry & Los were fine. This is crazy. We need a playmaker at WR, RT, middle LB, DE, not anther safety. We drafted him in 2007. We drafted our shut down corner in 2005.

FAIL

[G1]

Otogwe couldn't stay healthy, he'd be on IR by now. Landry was gone because if he was going to play here he wasn't accepting anything less than a big contract, and if he was going to accept the 1-year prove-it deal, it wasn't going to be here.

And people keep talking about 'Los, but he was like Landry. He wasn't worth the big contract, but if he was going to stay, he demanded it. If he was going to take a 1-year deal, it wasn't going to be here.

The problem with safeties this offseason was that all the major talent got franchise tagged. There wasn't really anyone good on the market we could have acquired. Branch, Goldson, and Griffin all got tagged. Add in the cap penalty, and we were really out of the market. Meriweather and Jackson were the two best talents we could get, and they were actually near the top of the safety market in terms of ability, which tells you just how bad the market was.

Then Jackson got suspended and Meriweather got injured and it all went straight to hell. Does Shanahan deserve some of the blame? I suppose yes, but he was trying to make the best of a bad situation. Next year will be better, there are some decent guys hitting the market, assuming, of course, they don't all get franchise tagged.

EDIT: People need to understand, Rogers and Landry DID NOT WANT TO PLAY HERE! Not for what their market value was! Landry would NOT have taken a 3.5M 1-year deal from us. Rogers would not have taken a 1-year minimum deal with us. They wanted a big contract, way above their market value, or they wanted out. So they were shown the door.

Stop pretending like we threw them out and they were innocent victims. They weren't. They were jerks who wouldn't take responsibility for their failures (Carlos needed eye work, Landry needed, and will still need, surgery), and wanted more money than they were worth.

So the clever teams used tags on the good players.

Why didn't we?

I see no reason not to tag Rogers. I see no reason not to at least question the decision to tag Davies instead of Landry.

Shannahan is in charge of personell. Excuse or explain his decisions all you want but the personell in our defensive backfield has gotten worse, much worse in the three years he has been in charge of it. Three years into the rebuild and the personell is so much worse than it was when he arrived.

That should be questioned in my opinion.

[ClemsSC7Skinfan]

I don't have a problem with a coach being fed up with his players. He's been here going on 4 years and we still stink. It is not like we didn't stink before he got here either so in general I'm sure it is frustrating to know you won SB's and used to be a pretty good coach and now no matter how hard you try (I'm assuming he still coaches hard) it just isn't turning around.

I think it was the perfect time to try and light a fire under our team, we may not be able to win them all but we can certainly get on a roll and get maximum focus and effort out of our players can't we? I think we can all agree that for the first 7 games we looked at least competitive. Since the Giants game we have been a very FLAT team. I can't say at any point of the Steelers game that I thought we'd actually pull it out but the lack of focus by the WR's was amazing to see. Not to mention DHall losing it.....totally embarrasing. Then we turn around and with the same sleepy look we play the Panthers and are NEVER in the game.

I don't think Shanny gives up now or ever but what he does do is run out of patience with players. He sees them more than we do and he sees more film than we do so with the little bit I've seen of just game days the past two weeks why would I be bothered with him calling people out for lack of execution, effort, anything really?

Anyhow, I honestly think it was out of context as well as many have mentioned but if it wasn't I don't care either. We can't change the culture without ruffling some feathers around here. No more crying go play ball and do your job or get out!