Offensive questions

[Bang]

I don't understand why we aren't simply running the Texans' offense? .

Just to builld on this.. Kubiak started much in the same position Shanny did when taking over here.
Little talent, bad past moves.. no QB.. a team that needed everything.

and it's taken them a while to get to the point where they are now, and arguably, they've had better talent along the way.

Now if the people in Houston had the same patience level as we display here, where would they be?

Things take time.

~Bang

[authentic]

"figured out" is a bit of a misnomer to me. Rather its irrelevant. Look at some of the great offenses in the league, Houston, New Orleans, New England, they've been "figured out", the difference is that they have 1. continuity and 2. talent to beat opposing defenses as they make plays.

[Bang]

"figured out" is a bit of a misnomer to me. Rather its irrelevant. Look at some of the great offenses in the league, Houston, New Orleans, New England, they've been "figured out", the difference is that they have 1. continuity and 2. talent to beat opposing defenses as they make plays.

This is a HUGE key.
And it can only be accomplished with patience.
People want to know how some teams manage to draft so well and consistently pull in players who contribute immediately,, and it's because their continuity allows them to scout better. The Texans now have that continuity, they can scout guys for what they KNOW they can do in their system, because they know the system will be intact.

the importance of this cannot be understated.

~Bang

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Just to builld on this.. Kubiak started much in the same position Shanny did when taking over here.
Little talent, bad past moves.. no QB.. a team that needed everything.

and it's taken them a while to get to the point where they are now, and arguably, they've had better talent along the way.

Now if the people in Houston had the same patience level as we display here, where would they be?

Things take time.

~Bang

People here were staggered when Kubiak got a sixth year. And to be honest, at this point, the conquering hero in Houston is Wade Phillips. Kubiak seemed to have no idea what to do on defense for years. Bum's son came in and suddenly, they are dominant on that side of the ball and JJ Watt is going to make the Hall of Fame. Like next week. Seriously, he is playing the better on defense than anyone has ever played on defense.

Houston has made some brilliant organizational moves over the last few years and Kubiak has just been a part of that bigger wave. Rick Smith knows what the hell he is doing.

They let Mario Williams walk for nothing and actually got better on defense and then used that money to extend a bunch of good players. Mario was not a superstar, but he was quite good and then never even blinked. Now, Buffalo is regretting the money they paid him.

By the way, Bum Phillips has a weekly radio segment on one of the Houston talk shows. It's as good as you would think. I listen every week and have never understood a word the man has said. I think most of the discussion is about brisket.

[authentic]

This is a HUGE key.
And it can only be accomplished with patience.
People want to know how some teams manage to draft so well and consistently pull in players who contribute immediately,, and it's because their continuity allows them to scout better. The Texans now have that continuity, they can scout guys for what they KNOW they can do in their system, because they know the system will be intact.

the importance of this cannot be understated.

~Bang

right, this is why i'm not on the "Fire Shanny and clean house" bandwagon. All i would suggest is that they make some minor organizational adjustments. Take some things off of Shanny's plate.

[Oldfan]

Kubiak is in his seventh year with a team that has been to one playoff game and lost it. Is that really the best model we can find?

[Bang]

People here were staggered when Kubiak got a sixth year. And to be honest, at this point, the conquering hero in Houston is Wade Phillips. Kubiak seemed to have no idea what to do on defense for years. Bum's son came in and suddenly, they are dominant on that side of the ball and JJ Watt is going to make the Hall of Fame. Like next week. Seriously, he is playing the better on defense than anyone has ever played on defense.

Houston has made some brilliant organizational moves over the last few years and Kubiak has just been a part of that bigger wave. Rick Smith knows what the hell he is doing.

They let Mario Williams walk for nothing and actually got better on defense and then used that money to extend a bunch of good players. Mario was not a superstar, but he was quite good and then never even blinked. Now, Buffalo is regretting the money they paid him.

By the way, Bum Phillips has a weekly radio segment on one of the Houston talk shows. It's as good as you would think. I listen every week and have never understood a word the man has said. I think most of the discussion is about brisket.

This post should be stickied.

really,, it is a prime example of how patience can pay off.
That, and grabbing a top flight coordinator when you can.
Oldfan will hive a field day with this, and he'll be 100% right.


I'd love to know what station wade is on.. my podcast will thank you greatly for the comedy we can get from it.

~Bang

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Kubiak is in his seventh year with a team that has been to one playoff game and lost it. Is that really the best model we can find?

Oh come now.. they're in position to make a serious run, and also look to be built to stay on top.
If it takes 7 years to achieve thatr level of potential, isn't it worth it?
they don't look to me to be a 1 year wonder 'surprise' team.. looks to me like they've built a winner.
Obviously bringing in Phillips has tranformed their defense, but their offense is certainly powerful, and has been.

Sometims, is it not possible that the final pieces like Phillips can be added as they progress, rather than having it all done at the outset?
I know we both don't like Haslett, and i know you're right about Mike's history of DCs.. but it IS possible that a change there can get better results.

Obviously all speculative, but what would the Texans be if they had given up on Kubiak 2 or 3 years ago?
I don't know that they'd be where they are now.
No gimmicks on that team.

~Bang

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

This post should be stickied.

really,, it is a prime example of how patience can pay off.
That, and grabbing a top flight coordinator when you can.
Oldfan will hive a field day with this, and he'll be 100% right.


I'd love to know what station wade is on.. my podcast will thank you greatly for the comedy we can get from it.

~Bang

---------- Post added November-5th-2012 at 07:34 PM ----------



Oh come now.. they're in position to make a serious run, and also to stay on top.
If it takes 7 years to achieve thatr level of potential, isn't it worth it?
they don't look to me to be a 1 year wonder 'surprise' team.. looks to me like they've built a winner.



Obviously all speculative, but what would the Texans be if they had given up on him 2 or 3 years ago?
I don't know that they'd be where they are now.
No gimmicks on that team.

~Bang

I think the Texans would be fine without Kubiak. He's a pretty good offensive coordinator and for the last two years, that's what he has been. They could replace him. You get the sense that right now, the team has two head coaches - Kubiak and Wade. Normally, this would be a disaster, but both of them seem to have personalities that are perfect for this kind of set up. Neither is an egotist. Both seem obsessed with their side of the ball. I think it's taken a ton of pressure off Kubiak.

And it's not Wade who has the radio segment. It's Bum.

89-year-old Bum Phillips.

I think it's on 610 AM in Houston.

[Skinsfan In NM]

I think the answer to our offensive questions/concerns is an increase in Roberts arm strength and how much he is putting behind his passes. I mean if he were to just throw the ball harder and get it stuck in the receivers faceguard they couldn't drop it. That right there is what they need to work on this next week.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Oh come now.. they're in position to make a serious run, and also look to be built to stay on top.

Eh...they caught a break the last two years with Indy falling apart. If Manning had been healthy last year, Kubiak may have finally been fired.

I also don't love them long-term, at least not on offense. Schaub is a bit of a China Doll. Andre Johnson is already showing a decline. And Foster is going to have close to 400 carries this year. I would not feel very comfortable with those as my "Triplets" heading forward.

On defense, they should be good for a while. I don't think Wade wants to be a head coach again (not that he necessarily has a choice), and he loves being back in Texas. He will probably be here until he or Watt retire.

And I am dead serious about Watt. He should be the MVP for the league for the first half. He's on pace for 20 sacks, 20 deflected passes, and 60some tackles. And he is a freaking defensive end in the 3-4. That's like a gold-glove shortstop hitting 60 Home Runs.

[CjSuAvE22]

Give RGIII a capable receiver and our offense changs dramatically imo....

[Oldfan]

...and also look to be built to stay on top...
If it takes 7 years to achieve thatr level of potential, isn't it worth it?

Nope. I count nine players among their starters who are 30-31 years old. They are candidates for a rebuild before long.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...012_roster.htm

[Rypien1191]

I thought this was going to be a thread about race or religion or dead relatives.

[Oldfan]

About continuity... continuity isn't a good thing all by itself.

Sticking with a sound plan is smart.

Sticking with a unsound plan is dumb.

I don't like the plan. Never did. It's starting to unravel just as I thought it might.

So, I can't agree with your argument for continuity.

[Bang]

Nope. I count nine players among their starters who are 30-31 years old. They are candidates for a rebuild before long.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...012_roster.htm

Rebuilds need not be all at once. (Only for a team like us, who's roster has been in such dreadful condition for so long. )

The Texans have done their REbuild.. at this point, they can simply build onto what they have, and ideally, they can begin doing it now to be ready for a player to lose a step or retire.

the Patriots constantly build. and they constantly contend. They never get caught by a player's age or declining skills because they target replacements before the decline begins. And sometimes, they let loose a quality player to gain draft picks, like Richard Seymour.. but when they do, they've got someone else ready to step in.

~Bang

---------- Post added November-5th-2012 at 08:08 PM ----------

About continuity... continuity isn't a good thing all by itself.

Sticking with a sound plan is smart.

Sticking with a unsound plan is dumb.

I don't like the plan. Never did. It's starting to unravel just as I thought it might.

So, I can't agree with your argument for continuity.

Fair enough, that's an argument that wouldn't go anywhere.

I'm not sure I disagree, but at the same time I'm not sure that this team hasn't made some strides.

~Bang