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[daveakl]

The problem isn't limited to Paulsen, IMO. That's why I began the OP with: Why are Skins receivers creating drive-killing false start penalties?

Right, but after seeing that Paulsen is the reason we have more false starts from our WR/TE players compared to the rest of the league I thought you may want to alter your original statement when given all the facts.

[Oldfan]

Right, but after seeing that Paulsen is the reason we have more false starts from our WR/TE players compared to the rest of the league I thought you may want to alter your original statement when given all the facts.

No, that doesn't make sense. I realize that if you take the highest number out of any set, you can bring the average down, but that's self-deception. You haven't actually solved a problem.

If the rest of the group was pretty much fault-free, I would suspect that Paulsen is the only problem. That's not the case.

[daveakl]

No, that doesn't make sense. I realize that if you take the highest number out of any set, you can bring the average down, but that's self-deception. You haven't actually solved a problem.

If the rest of the group was pretty much fault-free, I would suspect that Paulsen is the only problem. That's not the case.

The rest of the group is par with the rest of the NFL. Are you saying that this is an NFL problem, a Redskins problem, or a Paulsen problem?

[Oldfan]

The rest of the group is par with the rest of the NFL. Are you saying that this is an NFL problem, a Redskins problem, or a Paulsen problem?

I think I've made my position perfectly clear to impartial readers.

[Skinsinparadise]

Well this is a different argument. And, surprise, I disagree with you about the quality of our WRs and don't share your frustration.
The group had a bad game against the Steelers and Robinson had a bad start/game against the Panthers.

http://httr24-7.com/?p=3382

Wide Receivers

Aldrick Robinson

Overall #60 (0.6)

Receiving 0.2, Run Block 0.7, Targets 16, Caught 9 , Catch % 56.4

Leonard Hankerson

Overall #62 (0.4)

Receiving -0.3, Run Block 0.4, Targets 39, Caught 26 , Catch % 66.7

Santana Moss

Overall #76 (-1.5)

Receiving -0.7, Run Block -0.6, Targets 37, Caught 24 , Catch % 64.9

Josh Morgan

Overall #79 (-1.6)

Receiving -2.0, Run Block +1.6, Targets 40, Caught 29 , Catch % 72.5

Yet the offense and the passing game is still productive and in comparison to the secondary/coverage unit they've been far more productive. And that's without Pierre Garcon the obstensible #1 WR.

Never said the Wrs are worst than our secondary. In another thread I defined the secondary as a train wreck. The Wrs clique to me are overall below average at best and I worry about them going forward post Fred Davis (we haven't really scored points in the subsequent games) and if Garcon is still out.

I've held out hope for Hankerson and Robinson but for me I've not seen enough flashes to think of either one becoming a good WR, but i acknowledge its still early to rule them out,

[skinny21]

What if I told you this:
Logan Paulsen has 3 false starts
Niles Paul has 2
Fred Davis has 1
Hankerson has 1
Moss has 1
(OL has the other 6)

As a team we have less then 4 other teams, the same as 1, and 7 other teams are within 2 of us.

Seeing this makes me think we are putting a lot of stress on the TEs (to get off the line in a hurry), which makes some degree of sense given the amount of play action and option reads we run. The line might be overly penalized, though 6 between 5 guys doesn't seem too bad.

Of course, this is just false starts... other penalties are a different animal.

[daveakl]

I think I've made my position perfectly clear to impartial readers.

Let me make sure I am understanding it correctly then.

You said that the Redskins WR/TE's are responsible for a large number of false start penalties that are killing drives and causing close games to be lost. You then said that this is a result of the offense being to complicated and it should be simplified.

What I am pointing out is that one person is skewing the stats of our team. If you remove that one person then our offense has no more or less false starts then other teams in the NFL from the WR/TE position.

That one person is also playing a roll in our offense that was unexpected. Due to the limited practice time that the new CBA allows there also is only so much room to get him up to speed so that he is not over thinking his assignment and causing these penalties.

[Oldfan]

...What I am pointing out is that one person is skewing the stats of our team...

Sure. You can take the highest number out of any above-average set and make it average.

That one person is also playing a roll in our offense that was unexpected. Due to the limited practice time that the new CBA allows there also is only so much room to get him up to speed so that he is not over thinking his assignment and causing these penalties.

This is Paulsen's third year. If the new CBA limits practice time, that's all the more reason to simplify the scheme. Isn't it?

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

It would seem that we get a lot of calls due to the shifting and movement prior to the snap. This seems to me nagnified by the TE's which so much of the motion and setting prior to the snap. That would seem to suggest that maybe we limit some of that to have them set and not moving which could decrease the probability of a penalty.

[darrelgreenie]

The Wrs clique to me are overall below average at best and I worry about them going forward post Fred Davis (we haven't really scored points in the subsequent games) and if Garcon is still out.

I've held out hope for Hankerson and Robinson but for me I've not seen enough flashes to think of either one becoming a good WR, but i acknowledge its still early to rule them out,

Okay, but I don't see how you can consider our WRs 'below average at best view' when our passing game and offense are average and above average.

Even going by pro football focus metric (ironically enough) the 2 receivers I currently considered the least productive on the roster but the greatest upside) are ranked #60 A.Robinson and #62.
That would make them starting caliber WRs (based on their being 32 teams with 2 starting WRs per team).

I consider the Steelers game to be a clear outlier, (10 drops in one game). I think its inacurate to attribute the low point total in the Panthers game to poor play from the WRs. Playcalling/decision making and injury to Tana were imo far greater factors then overall WR play.

Just for the sake of comparison here's football outsiders:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

Moss is ranked #48 in DYAR and #42 DVOA
Morgan is #50 and #51 respectively

ahead of:

Dez Bryant
Stevie Johnson
Santonio Holmes
DeSean Jackson
A.Brown (steelers)
D. Bowe
M. Manningham
N. Burelson
M. Wallace (steelers)
Heyward Bey
Larry Fitzgerald
M. Floyd
Robert Meachum

I think if we ran a regular passing offense or the passing offense from last year their numbers would be higher and you wouldn't have such a high level of frustration or opinion of them. Moss and Morgan are imo are not the worst tandem of WRs in the NFL and the our offensive production and their production support that.

[Oldfan]

It would seem that we get a lot of calls due to the shifting and movement prior to the snap. This seems to me nagnified by the TE's which so much of the motion and setting prior to the snap. That would seem to suggest that maybe we limit some of that to have them set and not moving which could increase the probability of a penalty.

Did you mean decrease in the last sentence?

[daveakl]

Sure. You can take the highest number out of any above-average set and make it average.

This is Paulsen's third year. If the new CBA limits practice time, that's all the more reason to simplify the scheme. Isn't it?

Would you say we should simplify the scheme so that Paulsen stops committing false starts or should we replace Paulsen and keep the scheme as is?

[Oldfan]

Would you say we should simplify the scheme so that Paulsen stops committing false starts or should we replace Paulsen and keep the scheme as is?

No, what I would say is that it appears that you have a problem with reading comprehension.

[PeterMP]

The rest of the group is par with the rest of the NFL. Are you saying that this is an NFL problem, a Redskins problem, or a Paulsen problem?

Think about it like this, if you pulled the player w/ the most fals starts in the group from every other team, their numbers would go down too.

Where would the Redskins group minus Paulson be with respect to every other team w/ their highest player removed?

If you do that and the Redskins aren't high any more, then Paulson might REALLY be the problem. If not, then you have a problem beyond Paulson.

[SkinsCrushCowboys]

Did you mean decrease in the last sentence?

yes, fixed