Election 2012- Post Mortem

[Mark Moseley]

Without getting too personal, how is it impacting on your business? (Providing health care). I don't know much about how business provides health care for employees in the US.

We only employ 6 people,The Realestate bust & zero rate of new construction & the employer paid taxes will be too high for the company to pay, employees will be forced to pay ALL own their health care costs or pay fedreral fines to be uninsured & we can't afford to pay higher saleries to pay their own health care or fines. We have been losing $$ the past 2 years, the owner hasn't drawn a paycheck in a month & the end is near
Kinda ironic that the Gov. is taxing us out of business,just like King George in the 1700's

[greenspandan]

since the dollar is down 100% since 2002.

this is exactly the kind of commitment to both mathematics and reality that allowed republicans to build their fortress of bull**** which has shielded them from the obvious foreknowledge of the last two presidential elections, and i see no signs they are going to change their approach. as a leftist myself, it is a charitable moment of honesty for me to say that it's not just bad for their own party, it's bad for america. i really wish they'd rejoin this planet and re-engage in honest objective discourse instead of absurd hysterics.

[DjTj]

"The conservative movement should have particular appeal to people in minority and immigrant communities …"-Marco Rubio

Saying "should have" and actually doing it are very different things, and I'm not sure Marco Rubio really gets it. Rubio is Cuban-American and like many Cold War immigrants, his parents came to America fleeing an oppressive Communist regime. I think that the conservative platform speaks to that generation of immigrants, but it has less meaning to more recent immigrants. Immigrants today are not necessarily fleeing from terrible governments but are just seeking better opportunities in America. They may even like many of the government programs in their countries of origin and might think about going back.

A Chinese immigrant in 1972 was a defector and a fervent anti-Communist that would cut off all ties to China. A Chinese immigrant today is proud of modern China and is likely to keep many personal and business connections to China. With the rest of the world generally more socialist than the United States, I think that immigrants are more comfortable with socialist government policies, and the anti-Communist message no longer resonates. It's what I thought when I saw that weird Eastern European guy who put out his own pro-Republican ad. It just didn't seem to speak to anyone except for old white men who are nostalgic about the Cold War, and a few specific anti-Communist immigrant communities like Cubans and Vietnamese.

[sacase]

Not sure why people think that they Republicans need to change. They obviously don't. They needed stronger Presidential candidates. I think they picked up 4 or 5 governorship for a total of 33ish. (numbers are a little fuzzy). they have the first GOP governor in NC in 2 decades, I think they also picked up seats in the house. Did they get the big prize? No. But they are sitting quite well. This was not an Obama blow out by any means. What this tells me is that BOTH parties need to drag themselves to the center and quit being so partisan.

[Heisenberg]

Not sure why people think that they Republicans need to change. They obviously don't. They needed stronger Presidential candidates. I think they picked up 4 or 5 governorship for a total of 33ish. (numbers are a little fuzzy). they have the first GOP governor in NC in 2 decades, I think they also picked up seats in the house. Did they get the big prize? No. But they are sitting quite well. This was not an Obama blow out by any means. What this tells me is that BOTH parties need to drag themselves to the center and quit being so partisan.

They need to change because the demographics are rapidly shifting against them. They are getting destroyed by the minority vote and the majority of the younger generation has voted for the Democrats in the past 3 Presidential elections.

[Corcaigh]

Without getting too personal, how is it impacting on your business? (Providing health care). I don't know much about how business provides health care for employees in the US.

Don't waste your time. Rising healthcare costs are a big issue for individuals and companies as most health insurance is subsidized be employers, but blaming Obama's legislation is very dubious. In fact, we got a rebate this year because of the new law,as our insurer didn't meet their cost goal.

[John224]

Republicans need to wake up and realize that the nation has changed if they ever want to occupy the White House.

It has and will not stand the test of time like most Americans believe. There is no way Obama is going to cure this debt problem. Unlike California, the federal government has no one to bail them out. All you people out there who makes 100,00 a year, I hope you remember what is was like to be poor.

Most Americans are so uninformed that they actually think this country is an invincible force that will stand tall until the end of time.

[Heisenberg]

Chris Matthews should probably be fired tonight.

I'm not sure if any of you caught that soundbite, but I'm sure it will be all over the place by tomorrow.

[Corcaigh]

Not sure why people think that they Republicans need to change. They obviously don't. They needed stronger Presidential candidates. I think they picked up 4 or 5 governorship for a total of 33ish. (numbers are a little fuzzy). they have the first GOP governor in NC in 2 decades, I think they also picked up seats in the house. Did they get the big prize? No. But they are sitting quite well. This was not an Obama blow out by any means. What this tells me is that BOTH parties need to drag themselves to the center and quit being so partisan.

A stronger candidate would have definitely helped. Romney was just unlike able and couldn't shake the portrayal of him as Montgomery Burns. And having more than a few elected officials and senior people in your party make dumb comments about women, for example, doesn't help. Neither does the prominence of certain talk radio and Fox News being so blatant, and sometimes offensive.

The GoP placed way too much emphasis on their base, and not the center, in this election.

[visionary]

Chris Matthews should probably be fired tonight.

I'm not sure if any of you caught that soundbite, but I'm sure it will be all over the place by tomorrow.

What did he say? (I tried to watch MSNBC sparingly and Fox not at all.)

[afkidd]

They need to change because the demographics are rapidly shifting against them. They are getting destroyed by the minority vote and the majority of the younger generation has voted for the Democrats in the past 3 Presidential elections.

The Republican party needs to change so bad. When you have guys saying "you can't get pregnant from rape", FOXNEWS fear mongering non-stop, and then when any kind of political discussion is brought up somehow at work (bear in mind I am in the military), all the republicans just start hating so ignorantly on Obama, yelling about how he's going to take our guns away, how obamacare is going to destroy the world, not knowing how our pay raises are calculated and blaming Obama for it, it's mind boggling to me how anyone who is unsure who to vote for can look at that and go "yup, that's the side I want to be associated with".

a conservative forum I lurk on is going INSANE right now. At least here all the comments are reasonable (pro or anti-Obama). Over there it's just "THE KENYAN STOLE THE ELECTION" or wondering how much money "obungo" paid that johnson guy to run and take away votes from romney. i don't consider myself a very intelligent person, but...i don't want to be associated with that kind of stupid.

[Corcaigh]

Chris Matthews should probably be fired tonight.

I'm not sure if any of you caught that soundbite, but I'm sure it will be all over the place by tomorrow.

What did the clown say now?

My favorite quote is from the Colorado Governor ... On the legalization of recreational marijuana ... "That said,*federal law still says marijuana is an illegal drug, so don’t break out*the Cheetos or gold fish too quickly.”

[StillUnknown]

What did he say? (I tried to watch MSNBC sparingly and Fox not at all.)

I caught him saying something about being happy the hurricane happened.

[Corcaigh]

The Republican party needs to change so bad. When you have guys saying "you can't get pregnant from rape", FOXNEWS fear mongering non-stop, and then when any kind of political discussion is brought up somehow at work (bear in mind I am in the military), all the republicans just start hating so ignorantly on Obama, yelling about how he's going to take our guns away, how obamacare is going to destroy the world, not knowing how our pay raises are calculated and blaming Obama for it, it's mind boggling to me how anyone who is unsure who to vote for can look at that and go "yup, that's the side I want to be associated with".

It's not all republicans by any means, but it seems to have become much more mainstream to rant about Obama, than it was for democrats during Bush's more unpopular moments. Wingnuts always exist on both sides but wingnut seems to have become an established part of the mainstream for Republicans at the moment.

[afkidd]

It's not all republicans by any means, but it seems to have become much more mainstream to rant about Obama, than it was for democrats during Bush's more unpopular moments. Wingnuts always exist on both sides but wingnut seems to have become an established part of the mainstream for Republicans at the moment.

i agree.