Election 2012- Post Mortem

[thebluefood]

LOL, I'm already getting the angry neo-con accusations that its my fault Romney lost. They just cant seem to get it that the GOP LOST my vote that they probably could have had! We warned them ad nauseum, they didnt listen and they rejected us.

I love the look on their face when I calmly explain how they f'ed up. No defense

Yup. I have to admit, I feel a little bit of satisfaction with the Obama victory if only to hear and see the laments of pissed off neo-cons/TEA Partiers about how we screwed everything up.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Yup. I have to admit, I feel a little bit of satisfaction with the Obama victory if only to hear and see the laments of pissed off neo-cons/TEA Partiers about how we screwed everything up.

Yep, ya'll are gonna get the Perot treatment for awhile.

[SnyderShrugged]

Truth be told, had Ron Paul run against Obama or had Romney moved his camp in that direction, it would not have been nearly this close. Right or wrong, Ron Paul and his views are way outside the mainstream.

If they had simply accepted RP supporters that won legal delegate slots and allowed them their rightful role at the convention, and added some core elements of the platform, many of us would have held our noses and supported Romney (some not all, of course)

We didnt decide to not support the GOP because our chosen candidate wasnt the nominee (most of us knew that harsh reality very early on), we decided not to support them because they didnt want us to support them and treated us accordingly.

[mike42]

This is what I don't understand about Replublicans and Democrats? The both of you are so busy fighting with one another that you've simply lose sight of anything important. Work together and get this thing figured out, my god you both are so stubborn.

Agree & I lean democrat, but I voted for Mitt to win for that reason because the last 4 years of working together has honestly been hell.

[thebluefood]

Yep, ya'll are gonna get the Perot treatment for awhile.

Well, they're gonna have to deal with it. From what I've heard Gary Johnson pulled in a million votes (still need to find a non-biased source on that) and is the highest polling Libertarian in history. I can't begin to tell you how proud I am to be a part of that.

If they had simply accepted RP supporters that won legal delegate slots and allowed them their rightful role at the convention, and added some core elements of the platform, many of us would have held our noses and supported Romney (some not all, of course)

We didnt decide to not support the GOP because our chosen candidate wasnt the nominee (most of us knew that harsh reality very early on), we decided not to support them because they didnt want us to support them and treated us accordingly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39W91O-rUg

[Rodriggo]

The face of the GOP will be fat or brown in 2016

Funny line and you nailed it.

Everyone said it was armageddon for the Republicans in Nov.2008, and it wasn't, it won't be now.

They'll put a new "face" on the candidate to appeal on a marketing level but it'll be the same old **** on the inside.

Change? The Republicans? Are you kidding me? If they change I assume everyone means they lose the extreme evangelical, racist populist constituent which becomes a third party but what does that leave? Upper and middle class white conservatives? Is that even 20% of the country counting non-voters? Is it even as large as that new third party Fascist Party?

Problem is that next time they're running against a woman who's also a Clinton so best of luck denting the changing demographics.

FYI Miami Cubans don't play well with other latinos, of course that level of nuance will be lost on the GOP.

Question I have is how a 50/50 country breaks 45/55 Republican in the House?

Biggest lesson of the night is that conservative white america can't elect a president on their own, not even after four years of slamming the brakes AND clutching the emergency brake while slinging the worst kind of made up **** all over the ******* place.

[SnyderShrugged]

Well, they're gonna have to deal with it. From what I've heard Gary Johnson pulled in a million votes (still need to find a non-biased source on that) and is the highest polling Libertarian in history. I can't begin to tell you how proud I am to be a part of that.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39W91O-rUg

My blood boils when I revisit that youtube. How can anyone question why any of us didnt vote GOP?

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

John Fund on Fox News talking about disturbing news allowing unregistered voters to vote in Ohio. They are also complaining about Pennsylvania and a mural of Obama. Also highlighting the member of the New Black Panther Party, although John Fund says he's just doing it for publicity. Talking about workers coming in from Illinois who registered and voted the same day in Wisconsin and how it is purely illegal, since they live in Illinois.

John Fund thinking that we need to look at voter fraud. Even if Presidential race isn't close, some state races are close and could have been turned by fraudulent voters.

Republican strategy for the past four years has been simple: disenfranchisement. Is that really going to be their strategy going forward?

They lost the black vote 95-5.
They lost the Latino vote 7-3.
They lost the single woman vote 6-4.
They lost the under 30 vote 6-4.

So, instead of courting these voters....they are going to try to keep them from voting? How this a viable strategy?

[Rodriggo]

So, instead of courting these voters....they are going to try to keep them from voting? How this a viable strategy?

Because courting these voters means they stop being the Republican party.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Reap what you Sow GOP

Millions of highly politically active Ron Paul supporters would have given Romney the edge he needed to win in a few states, especially OH and Fla . All that was needed was to include us in the process, recognize our successes at gaining delegates, and allow some of our ideas in the platform.

But the public rejection of our supporters at the convention sealed your doom.

The GOP told us libertarians in the party, who brought renewed energy, and awesome fund raising at the grassroots level to it, to get lost, and now they have paid for it.

Am I still allowed to do QFT?

[SnyderShrugged]

Am I still allowed to do QFT?

Just for my posts.

[GibbsFactor]

I'll be straight forward and honest and preface my statements with this: I'm political stupid. I admit that. I'm willing to be told, by either side, that I'm a complete moron, as long as it's explained why.

Larry, I don't always agree with your political stances (and for that matter I don't always agree with Kilmer's, either ) but, I'd like to ask you guys a question. It's not sarcastic, it's not tongue in cheek, there is no hidden meaning. It's a real question:

Isn't the information you posted above the reason why this country has some struggles? I'm not interested in hearing anything about the Republicans or the Democrats being the devil, either. I think both parties are at fault for the state of our country, regardless of who's in office. They stand off to the point where it's childish and it hurts our country. It's embarassing that this system divides us so much. How do you (and kilmer) and anyone else for that matter actually feel about the party system? Do you think its best for us as a nation?

Essentially nothing changed. We will have the same stalemate for the next two years and that's a shame. We really need to tackle campaign finance reform and do something about the pull corporations have over our government. But how?

The only I hope is that the GOP understands that their fate lat nig was tied to their political games they've been playing. Honestly the GOP didn't lose anything for playing those games so the chance of them waking up is slim.

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Just for my posts.

Didn't Romney and Paul have a good relationship?

[Burgold]

Kind of want to give this its own thread, but I'll resist


The Republicans failed to learn from history. In 2004, the Democrats tried to run an ABB (anybody, but Bush) strategy and failed. John Kerry was not a well-loved candidate in his party and really set a campaign that was more about getting rid of G. W. Bush than it was what needed to be done for the United States. Likewiser, the Republican even failed to heed the messages of their own past when G. H. Bush failed to present "the vision thing."

Romney did not present a vision to the country. Sure, he said he wanted things better and wanted to create jobs, but there was no substance, no vision, nothing that the American public could glom onto other than ABO (anyone, but Obama). In fact, I would argue that Romney largely lost because he only wanted to make this about Obama.

The former governor and his GOP fellows were so certain that the American public would reject President Obama and his policies that they became deathly afraid of offering any detail whatsoever. That was their undoing. They gave no one a reason to vote for Romney only reasons to vote against Obama.

The incredible lack of details in Romney's plans. The absolute refusal to explain a single how even in the vaguest forms made him look like an emperor with no clothes. Couple that with a candidate who was such an entirely different person, with entirely different rhetoric in the primaries, on the stump, and in the debates that Governor Romney became a questionmark in every battleground state.

He became such a question that it overwhelmed the prevailing unemployment and other economic issues that beset the nation. In the end, Americans said they wanted meat and potatos, but all Mitt Romney offered was meringue.

[SnyderShrugged]

Essentially nothing changed. We will have the same stalemate for the next two years and that's a shame. We really need to tackle campaign finance reform and do something about the pull corporations have over our government. But how?

The only I hope is that the GOP understands that their fate lat nig was tied to their political games they've been playing. Honestly the GOP didn't lose anything for playing those games so the chance of them waking up is slim.

---------- Post added November-7th-2012 at 09:59 AM ----------



Didn't Romney and Paul have a good relationship?

They kept things cordial throughout the primary season (as compared to the relationships between the other GOP candidates at least),

But the Romney camp had to go along with the GOP establishment and change rules to go out of their way to disenfranchise RP delegates who legally won their slots. That ended any warm fuzzy's that were even possible.

[Rodriggo]

but all Mitt Romney offered was meringue.

Solid post.

Has anyone had fresh meringue? Crunchy on the outside, warm and chewy on the inside? Really, really good.