Frankly? I think that part of the problem with our current political climate, is this "They're both the same" meme.
No, they aren't.
Yes, the financial deregulation that was probably the primary cause of the latest recession, was done by both D and R. But no, it wasn't equal.
Yes, both Parties want to win elections. But only one of them has been engaged in a deliberate, organized, professionally-managed program of suppressing the votes of people who don't vote for them.
Yes, both Parties play political games with legislation that's important to the nation. But one of them plays "I want a million or so of the money to be earmarked for my district" games. And one of them plays "My entire Party will filibuster this entire bill unless we get a Constitutional Amendment passed, first" games.
Yes, both parties spin the truth. But only one lives their lives in a completely separate, alternate, reality.
One side is willing to compromise, on the deficit. One side is not. In fact, one side has made it very clear that they fully intend to prevent any attempt to deal with the deficit, unless the other side does what they want.
Only one Party looks at the problems the nation is facing, and says "Y'know, if we block any attempt to deal with this problem, we can demand a lot".
I can tell you right now, that the Republican Party's position, for the next two years, is going to be "We're in a position where we can harm the country, and Obama will get the blame for it." (Because it's what they've been doing, for the last four years, and it worked for them, some, and they haven't been punished for it, at all.)
(And, if they don;t get punished for it, in 2014, they'll keep doing it for the next two years, too.)
Years ago, my Mom asked me how long they were going to keep prosecuting Bill Clinton, without finding anything. My response was "Until the Republican Party looses a dozen seats in the House"
I was correct.
Well, they're going to keep blocking any attempt to make the country better, to reach across the aisle, to deal with the deficit, until blaming Obama for their actions stop working, and costs them some power.
Decades ago, I thought the same thing of the Ds. (I've since come to the conclusion that my painting them as so evil was an exaggeration. But not completely untrue.)
There are things that the R's talk about, that I think are important. #1 on the list is the deficit. But frankly, I've come to the conclusion that the Ds are better on that issue than the Rs. I've decided that to the Rs, the deficit is something that they talk about, as part of their agenda to try to force the Ds to get rid of Medicare and SS. The Ds at least occasionally try to do something about it.
(Not necessarily because I think the Ds are more ethical or actually care more about the deficit. But simply in recognition that they're vulnerable on the issue, and they have to occasionally do something about it, or they'll get kicked out of office.)
Honestly, I think if they do the next go around is theirs. After all, do you really see Biden as President next? I don't think Hilary wants to run.
(I will observe that the obvious answer is "100 years of history?")
And your second is "Insurance rates always go up"?
Is it really necessary for me to point out that you've answered your own question?
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The Republicans lost because they didn't go extreme right wing enough.
Please keep insisting on that.
The sad fact is - many otherwise reasonable and rational business owners are wingnuts. 30 years of far-right propaganda filtered through "business publications" like Forbes and such have convinced them they're John Galt. So no matter how much a government regulation or program might help them, the lizard brain response just sees "dang gubmint reguluasions killing muh buziness, they killing the jerb creators".
It's like how college educated people can believe in Creationism and such, it's just an ideological blind spot.
Also fun fact, deficits don't matter unless your economy is less productive. A lot of successful businesses run on credit lines, not on cash reserves, because the bank knows they'll be productive enough to continually adhere to their obligations. So really, it matters what kind of deficits you run. Running deficits for wars for oil and massive tax cuts that do NOT help the economy? Bad. Running deficits to rebuild infrastructure and invest in R&D? Good.
Last edited by The Robert Griffin Experience; November-7th-2012 at 09:58 AM.
Simply put, if they had respected those of my ilk, even a little, they would have had many, many more votes. This would be true if zero of RP's ideas were adopted in full.
Please at least try to stay a little within the boundaries of what is actual said next time, it saves a great deal of time typing.
Conservatives cant trust Republicans
And it hasn't cost them, yet. A good 45% of the country is perfectly willing to endorse it (when their side does it).
They're going to keep doing it, more and more, and more and more obviously, until they find out where the line is that, if they go past the line, it costs them.
(And this election very clearly says that they haven't got there, yet.)
They can't win those voters. Those are the most fiscally liberal segments of the electorate, and reaching out to them would alienate the base.So, instead of courting these voters....they are going to try to keep them from voting? How this a viable strategy?
Again, people are really underestimating how liberal blacks, Latinos, and ESPECIALLY Millenials are. Boomers fueled the Republican ascendancy from 1972-2008, Millenials are nearly as big, and every bit as liberal as the Boomers (the 20% of so of vocal hippies excepted) are conservative.
Last edited by The Robert Griffin Experience; November-7th-2012 at 10:14 AM.
That's not what I said and you know it.
The black vote was not as high during past democratic nominees as they are now for a black one.
Conservatives cant trust Republicans
Romney did present a pretty clear of what he wanted, at least as far as spending/taxation/economy.
His vision was "Double Down on Trickle Down":
- Pass a big tax cut. (Mostly on The Rich).
- Big increase in military spending. (With really no reason for it.)
- Repeal a bunch of rules that Big Business doesn't like.
- When the deficit goes up, act surprised, and insist that cutting taxes and increasing spending had nothing to do with it.
- Assume that the economy will grow. (After all, it almost always does).
- If [when] it does grow, claim that my tax cut caused 100% of it.
My feeling is that part of why he lost was the "We've been doing that for 30 years, and it doesn't work" effect.
(But then, I am often guilty of over-estimating the intelligence of the electorate.)
Last edited by Larry; November-7th-2012 at 10:20 AM.
You'd be lucky to get 5-10% of Ron Paul voters into the fold unless Romney publicly ripped up the GOP platform and replaced it with Paul's.
Last edited by The Robert Griffin Experience; November-7th-2012 at 10:16 AM.
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