Election 2012- Post Mortem

[Rdskns2000]

GOP needs to appeal to somebody besides old white men.

Women, young people, and all the minorities are heavily against the GOP right now. They need to take a long look at themselves.

Also they need to start nominating viable candidates. Ron Paul might have had a chance.

Ron Paul would lose badly. Whatever people Paul would've brought would be canceled out by all the people who would've left if he was the nominee.

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Dick Morris (on Fox):
- I feel bad for Obama, he really inherited a mess from himself.
- Polling reflected the same turnout of 2008, I did not think this was going to be the new turnout model.
- I was wrong. Turnout model is different than what we had.
- Blacks, Latino's and young people are greater than we had before (and single white women).
- This is the new America, the percentage of single women, African American's, Latino's and young people are greater than before.
- Unless the GOP changes, it can never win another election.
- If this candidate (Romney) in this economy (bad) can't beat this President (Obama), the GOP can never win another election.

He finally said something right. Actually, I say let the GOP die. Time for a new party to replace it.

[SnyderShrugged]

Ron Paul would lose badly. Whatever people Paul would've brought would be canceled out by all the people who would've left if he was the nominee.

Thats likely true (and it pains me to admit it) however, back during the primaries, he was the only candidate of all the GOP that consistently came out on top in a head to head race according to many polls.

To me, if the GOP had just tried to be respectful and listen with even half an ear, even pretend to be nice,. then they could have garnered a lot more votes. Instead, we saw what they did and they lost us completely, root and branch.

[MattFancy]

Chris Matthews said: "I am so proud of the country. . I am so glad we had that storm last week. . The storm brought in possibilities for good politics."

Yikes

[First Colony]

What did he say? (I tried to watch MSNBC sparingly and Fox not at all.)

Chris Matthews said: "I am so proud of the country. . I am so glad we had that storm last week. . The storm brought in possibilities for good politics."

[Rdskns2000]

Reap what you Sow GOP

Millions of highly politically active Ron Paul supporters would have given Romney the edge he needed to win in a few states, especially OH and Fla . All that was needed was to include us in the process, recognize our successes at gaining delegates, and allow some of our ideas in the platform.

But the public rejection of our supporters at the convention sealed your doom.

The GOP told us libertarians in the party, who brought renewed energy, and awesome fund raising at the grassroots level to it, to get lost, and now they have paid for it.

Really. If they gave Paulers some significant bones; odds are they would've lost a part of the base.


No- Paulers should went third party so their movement could build to become an eventual third force in American politics.

[SnyderShrugged]

Really. If they gave Paulers some significant bones; odds are they would've lost a part of the base.


No- Paulers should went third party so their movement could build to become an eventual third force in American politics.

I disagree, With small "bones" most would have stayed. Think things like audit the fed, department elimination, and sound money as a start. None of those would drive a common GOP'er away, yet would have gone miles in attracting liberty movement members

[FanboyOf91]

What's funny; I think Romney won less votes than Mccain did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...election,_2008

59,934,814

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...election,_2012 (yeah yeah, I know it's not official)

57,552,775

[Larry]

The above reasons were my main motivations to vote and as far as I'm concerned justice has been served. Last night was a referendum on the way the Republican party goes about its business and it was thoroughly rejected by people like me who are fed up with their bull****. Now it's time for them to take a long look in the mirror and grow the **** up. Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.

Disagree.

What percentage of the GOP House got reelected, 90%? 95%?

Somehow, I don't think that they think that their actions of the last two years have been punished by the voters. They think they've been validated.

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I disagree, With small "bones" most would have stayed. Think things like audit the fed, department elimination, and sound money as a start.

Yeah, you're right.

Trying to paint the Fed as a boogyman, eliminating a few entire government agencies, and the gold standard would really have got the GOP more votes.

[SnyderShrugged]

Disagree.

What percentage of the GOP House got reelected, 90%? 95%?

Somehow, I don't think that they think that their actions of the last two years have been punished by the voters. They think they've been validated.

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Yeah, you're right.

Trying to paint the Fed as a boogyman, eliminating a few entire government agencies, and the gold standard would really have got the GOP more votes.

Glad you agree, despite the unneeded snark. Yes, going the route I said (not what you made up) would have potentially brought in more votes.
You understand I didnt say either the first nor the third points you just claimed, I hope. Thanks for simply making up things to support your strange point. Carry on.

[visionary]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...t-not-a-stunt/

King says he's an independent, not a 'stunt'

Angus King, the Maine independent who has won election to the U.S. Senate, said on CNN Wednesday he represents a serious attempt to bring bi-partisanship to Washington.

"I ran on the platform of trying to call them as I see them, not be locked into a party position one way or the other," he said on CNN's "Newsroom." "But on the other hand, it isn't a stunt - I'm not going down there just to plant the flag and not get anything done."

King said he would support a model similar to the one proposed by the Simpson-Bowles deficit reduction panel convened by President Barack Obama, whose recommendations the president did not actively pursue.

King said in the interview he looks to meet with the chamber's top Democrat and Republican before deciding with which party he will caucus.

"There are really two criteria that I've honed it down to, and one is the extent I can maintain my independence and the second is how effective I can be on behalf of Maine," he said.

[Larry]

Yahoo: Top Republican: will work with Obama to avoid fiscal cliff

Here's hoping that I'm wrong.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Top U.S. Republican John Boehner said on Wednesday that Washington should find a short-term solution to avoid the fiscal cliff and then work on a substantive debt reduction plan in 2013.

The White House and lawmakers have less than two months to deal with the fiscal cliff or $600 billion worth of spending cuts and tax increases due to go into effect at the end of the year.

"We won't solve the problem of our fiscal imbalance overnight," Boehner said after President Barack Obama won a second term in the White House and Republicans won enough seats to maintain control in the House.

(Not much) more at the link.

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Remembering once reading a story.

A scientist working in his lab, accidentally ingests a fatal poison, for which there is no antidote.

Wondering what his fate will be, he goes to his bookshelf, and pulls down highly regarded book on poisons. A book, recognized as one of the reference books of the field, which the scientist, himself, had written.

Consulting the book, he observes that he has ingested 3 times the lethal dose for a person of his weight.

He then pulls down a second, equally respected, reference book. According to this, other reference, he has only consumed half of a lethal dose.

So, he sits down, to wait. Hoping that he was wrong.

[ArmchairRedskin]

Here’s Video Evidence of Why Everyone Thought Diane Sawyer Was ****faced On Air Last Night

Note: Profanity filter has put in asterisks to replace a word in the URL, so copy and paste it and restore it to the intended word to get the link to work.

http://i.imgur.com/BiOYW.jpg

That's pretty funny, Not near as funny as the .gif down further on that page, though.

[s0crates]

I feel especially patriotic today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxiMrvDbq3s

[HogNose]

Cheer Up, Republicans
You’re going to have a moderate Republican president for the next four years: Barack Obama.

http://mobile.slate.com/articles/new...h_the_gop.html

Dear Republicans,

Sorry about the election. I know how much it hurts when your presidential candidate loses. I’ve been there many times. You’re crestfallen. You can’t believe the public voted for that idiot. You fear for your country.

Cheer up. The guy we just re-elected is a moderate Republican.

I know how stupid that sounds. Barack Obama is the head of the Democratic Party. For five years, conservative politicians and media told you he was a raving socialist. In the heat of the campaign, when you’re trying to beat the guy, it’s hard to let go of that image of him, just as it’s hard for Democrats to see past the caricatures of Mitt Romney. But now that the campaign is over and you’re staring at a second Obama term, the falsity of the propaganda may come as a relief. By and large, Obama’s instincts are the instincts of a moderate Republican. His policies are the policies of a moderate Republican. He stands where the GOP used to stand and will someday stand again.

Yes, Obama began his presidency with bailouts, stimulus, and borrowing. You know who started the bailouts? George W. Bush. Bush knew that under these exceptionally dire circumstances, bailouts had to be done. Stimulus had to be done, too, since the economy had frozen up. A third of the stimulus was tax cuts. Once the economy began to revive, Obama offered a $4-trillion debt reduction framework that would have cut $3 to $6 of spending for every $1 in tax hikes. That’s a higher ratio of cuts to hikes than Republican voters, in a Gallup poll, said they preferred. It’s way more conservative than the ratio George H. W. Bush accepted in 1990. In last year’s debt-ceiling talks, Obama offered cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid in exchange for revenue that didn’t even come from higher tax rates. Now he’s proposing to lower corporate tax rates, and Republicans are whining that he hacked $716 billion out of Medicare. Some socialist.

Yes, Obama imposed an individual mandate to buy health insurance. You know who else did that? Romney. You know where the idea came from? The Heritage Foundation. Personal responsibility—insisting that people carry private insurance so we don’t have to bail them out in emergency rooms and hospitals—was a Republican idea. Same with Wall Street reform: There’s nothing conservative about letting financial institutions gamble with other people’s money in ways that would force us to bail them out again. Even Obama’s cap-and-trade proposal echoed the market-based emissions-control policies of the 1990 Bush administration and the 2008 McCain campaign. And last year, when the EPA proposed a new air-pollution limit, Obama ticked off environmentalists by killing it on the grounds that it might jeopardize the recovery.

Remember how Democrats ridiculed George W. Bush’s troop surge in Iraq? Obama copied it in Afghanistan. He escalated the drone program, killing off al-Qaida’s leaders. He sent SEAL Team 6 into Pakistan to get Osama Bin Laden. He teamed up with NATO to take down Muammar Qaddafi. He reneged on his pledge to close Guantanamo Bay. He put together a globally enforced regime of sanctions that is bringing Iran’s economy to its knees. That’s why Romney had nothing to say in last month’s foreign policy debate. No sensible Republican president would have done things differently.

Obama’s no right-winger. You might have serious issues with his Supreme Court justices or his moves on immigration or the Bush tax cuts. But you probably would have had similar issues with Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, or Gerald Ford. Obama’s in the same mold as those guys. So don’t despair. Your country didn’t vote for a socialist tonight. It voted for the candidate of traditional Republican moderation. What should gall you, haunt you, and goad you to think about the future of your party is that that candidate wasn’t yours.

[Elessar78]

I'm not being a partisan here but listening to Boehner today was just more of the same except he prefaced it with something like willing to work with the other side to find "new revenue" (get real, where does revenue magically come from?). To which he pulled it all back by saying that he won't explore anything that will raise taxes (for the rich) and that tax reform (essentially closing loopholes to raise taxes) and that a growing economy will fix everything.

It's crazy denial world he's living in. Yes we need the economy to grow but he's already taking the means to fix things off the table.