Election 2012- Post Mortem

[twa]

(get real, where does revenue magically come from?)..

drill,baby,drill

enabling manufacturing and construction

even O sees the need to get the govt out of the way at times

[Larry]

I'm not being a partisan here but listening to Boehner today was just more of the same except he prefaced it with something like willing to work with the other side to find "new revenue" (get real, where does revenue magically come from?). To which he pulled it all back by saying that he won't explore anything that will raise taxes (for the rich) and that tax reform (essentially closing loopholes to raise taxes) and that a growing economy will fix everything.

It's crazy denial world he's living in. Yes we need the economy to grow but he's already taking the means to fix things off the table.

Oh. That old trick.

"I might be willing to consider tax increases, if the tax increases all of the tax increase goes to tax cuts, somewhere else. See how moderate and flexible I am?"

[Bishop Hammer]

Great, four more years of "its Bush's fault."

[nonniey]

Interesting and the very frustrating thing about this election is apparently if you just switched Romney and McCain with their votes McCain would have won this election. Who predicted turnout for both sides
collapsing?

[Elessar78]

drill,baby,drill

enabling manufacturing and construction

even O sees the need to get the govt out of the way at times

I won't argue too much about drilling because that could be source of revenue for us but it's not an immediate, short term source because our consumption and global consumption won't ramp up just cause supply ramps up.

Manufacturing sure, but again, if we're not making it already and the market isn't there for it not sure how that's an answer. Construction can boom again but we have a glut of houses already. I'd rather we start building stuff the rest of the world wants and needs and not an industry that artificially props the American economy up.

As has been said, Obama isn't the liberal the other side paints him to be. In many ways, he's over-corrected to avoid the characterization.

[Fergasun]

the final days of this election were like a team down by a field goal with 2 minutes to go, and a coach who insisted they were secretly ahead according to internal scoreboards, thus ordering the victory formation.

You made me ROFL so hard with that...

[spjunkies]

This is very interesting.

http://didmittromneywin.com/

[Corcaigh]

Interesting and the very frustrating thing about this election is apparently if you just switched Romney and McCain with their votes McCain would have won this election. Who predicted turnout for both sides
collapsing?

It would have been closer, but Obama in 2012 has already registered more votes than McCain in 2008.

[thebluefood]

Yahoo: Top Republican: will work with Obama to avoid fiscal cliff

Here's hoping that I'm wrong.

Along the same lines:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...y.html?hpid=z1

[Fergasun]

What's funny is that the reason that push the Senate and re-elected Obama are the same reasons that we have largely the same GOP House. This is exactly the type of balance of power that our framers envisioned. (ok, well... how folks who worked to modify the 17th amendment envisioned it would happen?)

True but embarrasing post-election story. Was speaking with co-workers (one I just met today) about the election. One of them was complaining that "Obama only gives out free money in the cities" as they were talking about the above, how the cities are democratic, rural areas republican. In the same breath of conversation he was talking about getting dependent child care tax breaks and maxing out his FSA account. Also; government employee.

How are tax benefits that poor people will (most likely) never get to max out any different than whatever "handouts" he is talking about? I wanted to go off, but its this type of BS rhetoric that has made me turn against the GOP and republican supported rhetoric. It's one thing to have an honest policy debate and say "everyone should give up something" to accomplish Federal debt reform. But that's not what their goal has been for the past 2 years . Their goal is "our people shouldn't give up anything... oh and the clock will run out on you so I'll just give you the middle finger."

Why do folks on the right and far-right want to repeal the 17th amendment? GOP control 2/3rds of state legislatures.

If the GOP really believe their convictions, believes, etc. are right then I have no doubt they should simply shut down the government whenever the debt ceiling issue comes up. I am dead serious about this. Also, the states that are getting Federal money should not receive one cent more... because (by their claim) Federal debt is a hand-cuff (whether that's true or not is a debate for another thread...).

[PeterMP]

I'm not being a partisan here but listening to Boehner today was just more of the same except he prefaced it with something like willing to work with the other side to find "new revenue" (get real, where does revenue magically come from?). To which he pulled it all back by saying that he won't explore anything that will raise taxes (for the rich) and that tax reform (essentially closing loopholes to raise taxes) and that a growing economy will fix everything.

It's crazy denial world he's living in. Yes we need the economy to grow but he's already taking the means to fix things off the table.

In the past, he's talked about new revenue in terms of things like selling federal lands.

[Larry]

In the past, he's talked about new revenue in terms of things like selling federal lands.

Yeah, cause what we really need, to deal with our deficit, is one-time sales. (Which, as I understand it, typically sell for pennies on the dollar.)

But yeah, I've heard that one, too.

[twa]

Yeah, cause what we really need, to deal with our deficit, is one-time sales. (Which, as I understand it, typically sell for pennies on the dollar.)

But yeah, I've heard that one, too.

Moving valuable property into the tax base and allowing it to be productive is not just a one time benefit....the govt owns some prime property that brings in nothing.

[Jumbo]

It would be a bad idea for me to state my more "reactionary" thoughts on Boehner.
I guess it would be alright (if still extreme) to say Gitmo sounds good.

[ixcuincle]