Election 2012- Post Mortem

[bird_1972]

So how long do we give this guy before somebody calls in a rescue team?

It looks like a website that someone's 11 year old little brother built in an afternoon.

I lost patience after the first couple of threads.

[brandymac27]

It looks like a website that someone's 11 year old little brother built in an afternoon.

I lost patience after the first couple of threads.

LOL...we tried to warn you!

[Jumbo]

This is a couple days old, and focuses on old news even then, but it's a little more detail (mainly the $$ figures and that there were 2 pacs he formed) than I knew on Karl's activities:

(also, the panel talk on the video, while a few days dated now, is still fun if quite lefty--at least it's fairly accurate lefty)

Karl Rove rejects reality

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/opinio...iref=obnetwork

But Rove occupies a rather unique perch at Fox, and not just because he jumped from the Bush White House to the role of conservative cable commentator.

Rove, who also has a Wall Street Journal column, helped create two political action committees, American Crossroads and Crossroads Grassroots Political Strategies, that raised and spent about $175 million in this campaign, most of it on television ads promoting Mitt Romney or attacking Obama. He was, in every sense of the word, a full-fledged political player.

But he was also Fox's most visible contributor, appearing far more often than Sarah Palin, delivering his political insights on shows from morning to night.

Fox isn't the only news channel to employ active partisans -- CNN has a few, too -- and media organizations long ago decided to blur the line between journalism and politics.

I know the ties are generally disclosed, but personally, I wouldn't allow anyone who raises money or holds a party position to be on a news organization's payroll. Why should viewers think they're getting anything but one-sided spin?

[RedskinsFan44]

Interesting article on how the explosion of media outlets has led to people selecting sources that affirm their beliefs. And while it focuses on conservatives I am aware that there are plenty of examples on the left. Maybe this explains some of the increasing political polarization.

But if the Fox News-talk radio-Drudge Report axis is the most powerful force in the conservative cocoon, technology has rendered even those outlets as merely the most popular destinations in the choose-your-own-adventure news world where consumers are more empowered than ever.

Facebook and Twitter feeds along with email in-boxes have taken the place of the old newspaper front page, except that the consumer is now entirely in charge of what he or she sees each day and can largely shut out dissenting voices. It’s the great irony of the internet era: people have more access than ever to an array of viewpoints, but also the technological ability to screen out anything that doesn’t reinforce their views.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz2C0cvkBpC

[AsburySkinsFan]

Interesting article on how the explosion of media outlets has led to people selecting sources that affirm their beliefs. And while it focuses on conservatives I am aware that there are plenty of examples on the left. Maybe this explains some of the increasing political polarization.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz2C0cvkBpC

The human tendency toward hegemony has been long noted, combine that with an easy way to create our own personal echo chambers and it's a match made in heaven. It is horrible for learning and discovery but not entirely surprising, add to that our tendency to entrench when some false information that fits our bias is reported and then is corrected through retraction and we have a beautiful system of ignorance.

[Bang]

Well, After all has been said and done, I watched the Will Ferrell / Zach Galifinakas movie "The Campaign" this weekend, and laughed through most of it.
Lots of fun, especially given what we've all just gone through.

Best line.. "You look like Richard Simmons just crapped out a Hobbit"

Rip Torn never fails to slay me.

~Bang

[bird_1972]

Well, After all has been said and done, I watched the Will Ferrell / Zach Galifinakas movie "The Campaign" this weekend, and laughed through most of it.
Lots of fun, especially given what we've all just gone through.

Best line.. "You look like Richard Simmons just crapped out a Hobbit"

Rip Torn never fails to slay me.

~Bang

Rip Torn was brilliant in the Larry Sanders show. Became a huge fan based on that.

[Predicto]

I know that this is Rachel Maddow, and I know it is partisan, and I know it has a bit too much schadenfreude in it, but conservatives really, really should watch it - and really think about it - if they want to understand what they have done to themselves with their alternate reality bubble.

http://gawker.com/5958890/rachel-mad...r-this-country

[Larry]

Interesting article on how the explosion of media outlets has led to people selecting sources that affirm their beliefs. And while it focuses on conservatives I am aware that there are plenty of examples on the left. Maybe this explains some of the increasing political polarization.

It's certainly part of it.

The way I think of it is that, back under Walter Cronkite, the Parties had different positions. They had different terminology. But at least they all had the same facts.

And that's not true any more.

[Ellis]

I know that this is Rachel Maddow, and I know it is partisan, and I know it has a bit too much schadenfreude in it, but conservatives really, really should watch it - and really think about it - if they want to understand what they have done to themselves with their alternate reality bubble.

http://gawker.com/5958890/rachel-mad...r-this-country

She certainly makes a lot of great points. I've read the transcript to this last week and didn't realize it was Maddow who said it.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Well, After all has been said and done, I watched the Will Ferrell / Zach Galifinakas movie "The Campaign" this weekend, and laughed through most of it.
Lots of fun, especially given what we've all just gone through.

Best line.. "You look like Richard Simmons just crapped out a Hobbit"

Rip Torn never fails to slay me.

~Bang

Yup. Excellent movie. Arguably my favorite from Will Ferrell (not really much of a fan).

[Mad Mike]

I know that this is Rachel Maddow, and I know it is partisan, and I know it has a bit too much schadenfreude in it, but conservatives really, really should watch it - and really think about it - if they want to understand what they have done to themselves with their alternate reality bubble.

http://gawker.com/5958890/rachel-mad...r-this-country

I think I just fell in love.

[Heisenberg]

I think I just fell in love.

Maddow is brilliant.

It's kind of a shame that she's seen as a liberal hack, although I guess it's to be expected.

[thebluefood]

I know that this is Rachel Maddow, and I know it is partisan, and I know it has a bit too much schadenfreude in it, but conservatives really, really should watch it - and really think about it - if they want to understand what they have done to themselves with their alternate reality bubble.

http://gawker.com/5958890/rachel-mad...r-this-country

[Jumbo]

Maddow is brilliant.

It's kind of a shame that she's seen as a liberal hack, although I guess it's to be expected.

I confess my relatively weak efforts previously at really knowing her work had her more in the liberal hack column than not--part of it "guilt by association" re: MSNBC.

Having yielded to my normal inclination to do due diligence the last few months, I think she's actually very intelligent and generally makes very good arguments for her positions, while obviously a solid liberal in most matters.

Which is absolutely fine in my book--most forms of typical (more "formal" if you will) liberal or conservative ideology hold valuable premises to me---just avoid stupid-crazy-delusional-uber-hypocrite, or any of the other common traits revealing seriously stunted cognitive abilities while having "Big Ole" opinions on everything.

She's kinda like a left and "lite" version of a William Buckley Jr (one of my heroes) in emphasizing intelligence, discernment, and critical thinking behind her leanings more than reactionary, reflexive, or personal psychology needs-driven devotion to dogma and the "talking-point/echo chamber" level of presentation.

Give her another decade or two, if she's demanding of herself and keeps herself honest, and she could really be quite the deal. Sort of an anti-Mathews.