Election 2012- Post Mortem

[No Excuses]

They haven't excluded minorities. Minorities have excluded the GOP. I just don't know what you expect the GOP to do.

Not calling the Democratic supporters 'moochers' and 'takers' and freeloaders would be a start.

[Larry]

The Democratic party has successfully implemented class warfare and racial division.

Yeah. It's those awful Democrats who practice class warfare. And the GOP has done absolutely nothing to make poor people think that the GOP is out to get them.

World of Class Warfare - Warren Buffett vs. Wealthy Conservatives

World of Class Warfare - The Poor's Free Ride Is Over

[No Excuses]

Should they have gone out to inner cities and handed out free Romney phones?

Do yourself another favor. Stop repeating GOP and Fox News lies.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphi...they-for-real/

[Jumbo]

Jesus. I have never been a democrat, by registration or self-label, but I am increasingly comfortable to be called one these last few years. There is (as I often note) a fair amount of what was once considered typical "conservative" ideology that I value, as well as some typically associated with "liberal" that I don't. But so many of the "right" demographic that I meet/read/hear/ seem to live in such a perceptually distorted world (before we even get to rigid biases on positions) that it's both fascinating and distressing.

I mean the left has it's share of the delusional, and Chris Mathews is one of the fine figureheads for them, but it seems epidemic on the right. And it's also a bit like watching amateurs on the left, going against seasoned pros on the right. I blame the Great Satan, Jon Stewart.

[brandymac27]

The GOP left sanity.

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[JimboDaMan]

I just don't know what you expect the GOP to do. Should they have gone out to inner cities and handed out free Romney phones? Should the GOP remove our borders?

C'mon, WP, I know you know better than that.

I'm sure the minorities that live here don't want the country to end up like Greece.

Actually, /I'm sure minorities don't want that. You sound a little wobbly on that point.

The Democratic party has successfully implemented class warfare and racial division.

You just wrote these things above and then claim the Democrats are the class warfare guys?

[Predicto]

I'm sure the GOP would love to have minorities come to the party. They haven't excluded minorities. Minorities have excluded the GOP. I just don't know what you expect the GOP to do. Should they have gone out to inner cities and handed out free Romney phones? Should the GOP remove our borders? I'm sure the minorities that live here don't want the country to end up like Greece. The Democratic party has successfully implemented class warfare and racial division.

Your post is just loaded with the kind of myopic thinking that currently burdens the GOP. "Free Obama Phones" (a program started by George Bush). "Remove our Borders." "Democrats use Class Warfare and racial division."

I'm surprised you left out "welfare queens" and "real Americans" and "food stamp president" and "black panthers." All of these memes ring very strongly to the GOP base - the white male working class voter. And that is why the GOP will continue to blow the dogwhistles that appeal to those voters, even though the dogwhistles can be heard by minority voters just as easily, and piss them off so badly.

[Mad Mike]

The Democratic party has successfully implemented class warfare and racial division.

Yeah... Right.



Income Gaps Between Very Rich and Everyone Else More Than Tripled In Last Three Decades, New Data Show
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3220

Here's a thought... Maybe... Just maybe... the reason the economy is so stagnant is because 99% of the population has less money to spend on goods and services... Because the rich already have it. So how in the name of whatever you call holy, are less taxes for the rich going to create new jobs? Think about it. If you handed Donald Trump an extra billion dollars and said "go build some businesses and create new jobs" what new business could he create that will make people with no money buy products or services?

People... This isn't the Reagan era. THERE IS NO LACK OF MONEY FOR THE RICH TO CREATE NEW JOBS. What there is, is a lack of money the rest of us can spend to support new businesses and jobs.

[Wrong Direction]

Personally I do not read "flatten the code" as "eliminate deductions". I read it as "reduce the progressiveness of the rates". Maybe I misunderstood what you meant.

They do want to reduce the progressiveness of the rates. When google pays 3-4% effective rates but domestic manufacturers pay something like 30%, you have a huge tax code problem. I think Obama might even agree to some changes here, just not on the scale that R's want. That's fine because it's a start.

I've heard once again real pessimism that Obama will budge on his own ideas much at all. This time it's second hand, but from one substantial leader in business and one nationally known analyst. Both are saying that it's more likely than not that we go over the fiscal cliff. Neither believe that either Rs or Ds in Congress would vote in big enough numbers for a grand bargain even if Obama wants them to. The theory is that both parties have agreed to so many poison pill pledges that they won't act until the crap is already being sprayed out of the fan.

The two areas where they said we might have some chance are taxes and immigration.

One note of interest to me was that one guy from business is predicting that 25% of businesses drop health insurance when the ACA is implement. Official administration estimate is 10%. Delays and problems might make both predictions moot.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Amazingly, Sean Hannity Can Evolve

http://news.yahoo.com/amazingly-sean...055109928.html

Evolution by external forces, this reads very much like he's saying, "Holy crap, the brown tidal wave is going to crush us so we'd better start being nicer to them!" Which is far less inspiring than those who said, "Hey, these are people too" from the start.

[Brixtion_skin]

The business he has will be exempt, or they can get a tax credit for offering insurance.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/artic...1_Tevsao209702

"Individuals are not exempt. They will either have to find insurance or pay the fine (as he stated).

Although small employers are exempt from the tax penalties for not providing health insurance, some of them are eligible for tax benefits if they do provide health insurance.

Companies with up to 25 workers and average annual wages below $50,000 qualify for a tax credit of up to 35 percent if they give their workers qualified health insurance benefits. In 2014, the tax credit goes up to 50 percent.

Small employers are exempt from the insurance mandate, but their employees are not.

Starting in 2014, Americans will have to report on their tax returns if they have qualified health insurance, according to the Commonwealth Fund. If they don't, they have to pay $95 or 1 percent of their taxable income, whichever is higher. In 2015, the tax rises to $325 or 2 percent of taxable income. In 2016, the tax rises again, to $695 or 2.5 percent of taxable income. The maximum penalty is $2,085 per family, and there are several exceptions to the tax."

This makes more sense.

[War Paint]

Please elaborate. I am really wondering how you think the Dem's have done this. Just out of curiosity, has it occurred to you that what you consider class warfare and racial division by the democratic party is them actually being proactive in attempting to help these people that fall into lower economic classes and minorities that the R's have basically ignored?

Rhetoric such as the war on women, old white man's party, "put y'all back in chains", rich vs poor rhetoric, "throw granny off the cliff".....the list goes on and on.

[visionary]

http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/09/news...html?hpt=hp_c1

Coal company announces layoffs in response to Obama win

A coal company headed by a prominent Mitt Romney donor has laid off more than 160 workers in response to President Obama's election victory.

Murray Energy said Friday that it had been "forced" to make the layoffs in response to the bleak prospects for the coal industry during Obama's second term. In a prayer circulated by the company, CEO Robert Murray said Americans had voted "in favor of redistribution, national weakness and reduced standard of living and lower and lower levels of personal freedom."

"The American people have made their choice. They have decided that America must change its course, away from the principals [sic] of our Founders," Murray said in the prayer, which was delivered in a meeting with staff members earlier this week.

"Lord, please forgive me and anyone with me in Murray Energy Corporation for the decisions that we are now forced to make to preserve the very existence of any of the enterprises that you have helped us build."

O...k.

[Burgold]

Jesus. I have never been a democrat, by registration or self-label, but I am increasingly comfortable to be called one these last few years. There is (as I often note) a fair amount of what was once considered typical "conservative" ideology that I value, as well as some typically associated with "liberal" that I don't. But so many of the "right" demographic that I meet/read/hear/ seem to live in such a perceptually distorted world (before we even get to rigid biases on positions) that it's both fascinating and distressing.

I mean the left has it's share of the delusional, and Chris Mathews is one of the fine figureheads for them, but it seems epidemic on the right. And it's also a bit like watching amateurs on the left, going against seasoned pros on the right. I blame the Great Satan, Jon Stewart.

This relates well to what you are saying... though it comes from a pretty slanted source itself I think it was well written.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...src=most_viral

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Rhetoric such as the war on women, old white man's party, "put y'all back in chains", rich vs poor rhetoric, "throw granny off the cliff".....the list goes on and on.

Thing is, the Dems weren't the ones passing bills in state chambers all over the place trying to restrict women's rights the year before the election. The "war on women" was a self-inflicted wound. Now, many might agree with the proposals or laws,but that doesn't change the fact that many, many women obviously felt attacked by a real attempt to change their rights in numerous states. It wasn't just rhetoric they were responding to, but actual legal action.

[thebluefood]

http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/09/news...html?hpt=hp_c1



O...k.

So, he's laying off his employees to make a point? Are you kidding me?!