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    Quote Originally Posted by Bang View Post
    Absolutely must get rid of the propaganda media being as aggressive as it is.
    IMO, that is the first thing to do to accomplish Kilmers Point #1.




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    I just spent the last hour listening to Limbaugh while driving around to take care of some errands.

    His message today?

    Romney didn't lose because of his opponent, he lost because of a lack of turnout among republicans. The GOP needs to change nothing, only needs to get out the vote better.

    He's says that our voting decision is still the difference between hard-working, God-fearing, patriots versus the party of Santa Claus. Why is the democratic party so attractive to black and brown people? Because of the free stuff.

    Good luck toning that **** down. A cold shower wouldn't fractional effect those who bow to the alter of Rush, Coulter, and their ilk.
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    So, taking what Rush said, "Republicans just need to get out and vote better," mean that Democrats are smarter since they actually figured out how to "vote better?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjfootballer View Post
    So, taking what Rush said, "Republicans just need to get out and vote better," mean that Democrats are smarter since they actually figured out how to "vote better?"
    Well, he didn't say it was because the R's were lazy.
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    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8M805O20121108


    Micheal Backman won a narrow victory, but generally in the house the tea party guys held their own in narrow races. It's the senate and presidential elections where the tea party was a ball and chain around the partie's leg. The tea party is credited with handing the Democrates 5 senatorial seats across the 2010 and 2012 elections as they've defeated popular republicans like lugar only to have their tea party candidates get crushed by the general electorate... And the presidency came down to several issues of coarse but two were directly related to Romney tryiong to appeal to fiscal conservative tea party voters. (1) his editorial in the NYTimes entitled let Detroit go bankrupt cost Romney Ohio. (2) running the the right of rick perry on immigration lead to hispanics supporting Obama by more than 70%.... So the tea party is both curse and blessing and will continue to be such for the next two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monte51Coleman View Post
    IRomney didn't lose because of his opponent, he lost because of a lack of turnout among republicans. The GOP needs to change nothing, only needs to get out the vote better.
    Romney didn't lose because of his opponent. He lost because of himself... Flip flops required by the GOP of any experienced politiican made him look dishonest as they did of John McCain in 2008. The editorial Romney wrote in the NY Times entitled "Let Detroit go bankrupt", against the auto bail out was suicideal and cost Romney a chance in Michigan and Ohio. Finally the decision to run to the right of Rick Perry on immigration deamonizing him in debate after debate for allowing illegal's in Texas the right to in-state tuition, drivers liscenses, and social services killed Mitt Romney..

    The interesting thing is If Mitt Romney hadn't done most of these things he doesn't win the primary and never makes it to the general. That's the thing the GOP Party can and should work on.
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    I debated with myself about starting a new thread about some of the ***hat responses to Obama's re-election but I'll just say it here...

    From Trump's insane call for "revolution" (imagine... a billionaire calling for revolution because he wont get his tax breaks ) to the vile comments by Ted Nugent (I hereby promise to never listen to another song from him for the rest of my life), to Rush blaming everything and everyone but the platform that was rejected, it's time for republicans to HARSHLY reject these people as supporters.

    For my part let me just say (and this is not directed a reasonable Romney supporters)...



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    Saw this article and it pretty much mirrored my own thoughts for the last few years leading up to the election tuesday..

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...h_the_gop.html



    Cheer Up, Republicans
    You’re going to have a moderate Republican president for the next four years: Barack Obama.

    Dear Republicans,

    Sorry about the election. I know how much it hurts when your presidential candidate loses. I’ve been there many times. You’re crestfallen. You can’t believe the public voted for that idiot. You fear for your country.

    Cheer up. The guy we just re-elected is a moderate Republican.

    I know how stupid that sounds. Barack Obama is the head of the Democratic Party. For five years, conservative politicians and media told you he was a raving socialist. In the heat of the campaign, when you’re trying to beat the guy, it’s hard to let go of that image of him, just as it’s hard for Democrats to see past the caricatures of Mitt Romney. But now that the campaign is over and you’re staring at a second Obama term, the falsity of the propaganda may come as a relief. By and large, Obama’s instincts are the instincts of a moderate Republican. His policies are the policies of a moderate Republican. He stands where the GOP used to stand and will someday stand again.

    Yes, Obama began his presidency with bailouts, stimulus, and borrowing. You know who started the bailouts? George W. Bush. Bush knew that under these exceptionally dire circumstances, bailouts had to be done. Stimulus had to be done, too, since the economy had frozen up. A third of the stimulus was tax cuts. Once the economy began to revive, Obama offered a $4-trillion debt reduction framework that would have cut $3 to $6 of spending for every $1 in tax hikes. That’s a higher ratio of cuts to hikes than Republican voters, in a Gallup poll, said they preferred. It’s way more conservative than the ratio George H. W. Bush accepted in 1990. In last year’s debt-ceiling talks, Obama offered cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid in exchange for revenue that didn’t even come from higher tax rates. Now he’s proposing to lower corporate tax rates, and Republicans are whining that he hacked $716 billion out of Medicare. Some socialist.

    Yes, Obama imposed an individual mandate to buy health insurance. You know who else did that? Romney. You know where the idea came from? The Heritage Foundation. Personal responsibility—insisting that people carry private insurance so we don’t have to bail them out in emergency rooms and hospitals—was a Republican idea. Same with Wall Street reform: There’s nothing conservative about letting financial institutions gamble with other people’s money in ways that would force us to bail them out again. Even Obama’s cap-and-trade proposal echoed the market-based emissions-control policies of the 1990 Bush administration and the 2008 McCain campaign. And last year, when the EPA proposed a new air-pollution limit, Obama ticked off environmentalists by killing it on the grounds that it might jeopardize the recovery.

    Remember how Democrats ridiculed George W. Bush’s troop surge in Iraq? Obama copied it in Afghanistan. He escalated the drone program, killing off al-Qaida’s leaders. He sent SEAL Team 6 into Pakistan to get Osama Bin Laden. He teamed up with NATO to take down Muammar Qaddafi. He reneged on his pledge to close Guantanamo Bay. He put together a globally enforced regime of sanctions that is bringing Iran’s economy to its knees. That’s why Romney had nothing to say in last month’s foreign policy debate. No sensible Republican president would have done things differently.

    Obama’s no right-winger. You might have serious issues with his Supreme Court justices or his moves on immigration or the Bush tax cuts. But you probably would have had similar issues with Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, or Gerald Ford. Obama’s in the same mold as those guys. So don’t despair. Your country didn’t vote for a socialist tonight. It voted for the candidate of traditional Republican moderation. What should gall you, haunt you, and goad you to think about the future of your party is that that candidate wasn’t yours.
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    GOP Tip Of The Day:

    When trying to become more appealing to minority voters, try to not call minorities "non-traditional Americans" who voted for Obama because they wanted "want stuff."

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    More than anything else, IMO, the legislating morality thing (which it doesn't seem like the right realizes they do) is the killer. The center of our collective political will does not like that one bit.

    I think they could get sufficient support for their economic agenda and the personal responsibility meme, if they would leave out the holier than though stuff. Kinda being overly general on purpose I think everyone, especially the losers, over think the reasons why. We are getting more and more socially progressive and they seem to be missing the boat.


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    http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-...in-149070.html
    PPP: Iowa wide open for GOP in 2016

    The Republican Party has no frontrunner for the 2016 Iowa caucuses, with even Jeb Bush and Paul Ryan scarcely drawing double-digit support in a new Public Policy Polling survey of the contest.

    The poll, which was shared exclusively with POLITICO, found former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee as the nominal leader of the pack, taking 15 percent of the vote in a nine-candidate field.

    But that was only three points better than Ryan, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, each of whom took 12 percent. Bush had 11 percent, followed by Rick Santorum at 10 percent and former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at 9 percent.

    Bringing up the rear were Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul at 5 percent and Sarah Palin at 4 percent.

    It’s hard to imagine a less-defined, more fluid field than that. Huckabee manages to come out slightly ahead in large part because of his support among evangelicals – 20 percent choose him as their favorite – but only by a hair.

    Voters who identify themselves as tea party members are just as widely split, with Christie coming in first at 18 percent, followed by Rubio at 14 percent and Ryan at 11 percent.

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    Sorta agree. I also think the problem with the GOP is too many pick a little area to support instead of the overall picture. You touched on a couple of them. ie: abortion, yes it's over and never going back.

    But I also think there will never be the support for the GOP because the GOP expects people to earn their way through life not get it handed to them because it's their right.
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    Sorta agree. I also think the problem with the GOP is too many pick a little area to support instead of the overall picture. You touched on a couple of them. ie: abortion, yes it's over and never going back.

    But I also think there will never be the support for the GOP because the GOP expects people to earn their way through life not get it handed to them because it's their right.

    Yah, democrats don't want to work. I've found this to be true as well

    Republicans are all very hard working and don't want handouts.
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    Sorta agree. I also think the problem with the GOP is too many pick a little area to support instead of the overall picture. You touched on a couple of them. ie: abortion, yes it's over and never going back.

    But I also think there will never be the support for the GOP because the GOP expects people to earn their way through life not get it handed to them because it's their right.
    Yeah.

    When GOP politicians are congratulating themselves because they successfully eliminated the only abortion provider in their state, then abortion isn't going anywhere.

    And people vote Democrat because they're thieves. (Unlike Republicans, who earn every thing they receive.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wysknz1 View Post
    Sorta agree. I also think the problem with the GOP is too many pick a little area to support instead of the overall picture. You touched on a couple of them. ie: abortion, yes it's over and never going back.

    But I also think there will never be the support for the GOP because the GOP expects people to earn their way through life not get it handed to them because it's their right.

    Yah, democrats don't want to work. I've found this to be true as well

    Republicans are all very hard working and don't want handouts.
    The soldiers gave three cheers as they urged their tired horses north across the uneven hills. Some of the mounts, exhausted after a week of almost continual marching, began to lag behind; others, spurred on by their enthusiastic riders, began to edge past the regiment's commander. "Boys, hold your horses," Custer cautioned; "there are plenty of them down there for us all."

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    Obama = Santa Claus. That is why he won. Rush told me so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoony View Post
    Yah, democrats don't want to work. I've found this to be true as well
    But not paying any taxes does make it better.

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