Kilmer17's roadmap to fix the GOP

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Yes, maybe their ideals are a bit extreme. Perhaps they're not even realistic; but at least he and his father are trying to steer the party toward a pro-civil liberties, non-interventionist (from a military standpoint) platform. I've thought left-leaning members of our country's electorate would embrace that kind of rhetoric, especially when it's the opposite of what the bulk of Republicans are talking about today.

I don't agree with Ron and Rand (especially Rand) on everything, but I do agree that the GOP needs to make a change or else it may never recover.

I agree with that part, but their domestic and fiscal policies are fairy tales for the rich and nightmares for everyone else. So, I don't think Rand Paul is really the guy to come out of this as the leader, but that doesn't mean he can't have an important voice on a lot of issues.

This may sound a little strange, but I'd lean more towards someone who is more establishment but not quite so ideologically rigid like Lindsey Graham. I am not saying he's proven a whole lot to me yet, but he does strike me as a conservative who practices with a bit of common sense and pragmatism, based upon intelligence. So, I think he has more of a shot to lead the GOP "out of this abyss" then someone like Rand Paul.

[endzone_dave]

US treasury says Oct '12 deficit was $120B, larger than forecasts for a $114B gap and up from $98 billion in Oct. '11.

Another thing the GOP can do is to just hang tight until the country goes bankrupt than come in to clean up the mess.

[Thiebear]

But, haven't you heard? From what I hear, Republicans made up less than 40% of the voters, on election day.
This proves that the election was biased, because it oversampled Democrats.

Duckus ruined my same quote above when he posted that article... i picked Romney would win due to over sampling. Then i was just stuck with the President winning again as my second pick.
You could easily see it in the pre-voting that i posted also.

My positive is apparently that other thread on the Reconstruction Age racism in election regret didn't happen and i know it won't go away with MSNBC but racism calling was pushed back again to the fractions vs. the whole.

Though the other thing i pointed out was the (R) "Sample" ballot was ENGLISH only..(made me shake my head).- stubborn

[mistertim]

US treasury says Oct '12 deficit was $120B, larger than forecasts for a $114B gap and up from $98 billion in Oct. '11.

Another thing the GOP can do is to just hang tight until the country goes bankrupt than come in to clean up the mess.

The country isn't going bankrupt. Seriously, stop.

[endzone_dave]

The country isn't going bankrupt. Seriously, stop.

No, but our deficit can become very damaging.

[Bliz]

Yes, maybe their ideals are a bit extreme. Perhaps they're not even realistic; but at least he and his father are trying to steer the party toward a pro-civil liberties, non-interventionist (from a military standpoint) platform. I've thought left-leaning members of our country's electorate would embrace that kind of rhetoric, especially when it's the opposite of what the bulk of Republicans are talking about today.

I don't agree with Ron and Rand (especially Rand) on everything, but I do agree that the GOP needs to make a change or else it may never recover.

For a supposed libertarian, he sure supports a lot of govt intrusion on liberty. ok, hes anti patriot act and starting to come around on mj. I'll give him credit for that. But on all other social issues he's a typical GOP conservative. pro life, supports an amendment banning gay marriage, conservative on immigration, etc. a true libertarian should be more socially liberal than this.

This may sound a little strange, but I'd lean more towards someone who is more establishment but not quite so ideologically rigid like Lindsey Graham. I am not saying he's proven a whole lot to me yet, but he does strike me as a conservative who practices with a bit of common sense and pragmatism, based upon intelligence. So, I think he has more of a shot to lead the GOP "out of this abyss" then someone like Rand Paul.

I've been saying this for years. Graham has always stood out as a Pub I could really see myself getting behind. Would love to see him in a primary, and see what he's all about and how he handles it

[AsburySkinsFan]

I've been saying this for years. Graham has always stood out as a Pub I could really see myself getting behind. Would love to see him in a primary, and see what he's all about and how he handles it

Graham for awhile used to peg the nutso Right meter, and either the party out crazied him and now he just looks and sounds normal or he's corrected himself and dissaciated himself from the nutjobs. He at the very least seems to understand that his job conists of more than making an ass out of himself and trying to deny the president a second term. That said, I couldn't see myself voting for him, but I respect him more than I do about 90% of the rest of Republicans in DC.

[thebluefood]

For a supposed libertarian, he sure supports a lot of govt intrusion on liberty. ok, hes anti patriot act and starting to come around on mj. I'll give him credit for that. But on all other social issues he's a typical GOP conservative. pro life, supports an amendment banning gay marriage, conservative on immigration, etc. a true libertarian should be more socially liberal than this.

Hence why I said "especially Rand."

He's a watered down version of his father, for sure, but as I said before, at least he acknowledges the GOP needs to press the reset button. This is extremely refreshing to me as someone who does part time work at a radio station that broadcasts conservative talk programs. All they seem to say is "the problem with the Republican Party/Mitt Romney is that it isn't conservative (i.e. neo-conservatism) enough."

[zoony]

@billmaher: Big question these days is Can the Republicans evolve? Wld be helpful to believe in evolution first

[Jumbo]

@billmaher: Big question these days is Can the Republicans evolve? Wld be helpful to believe in evolution first

[DCSaints_fan]

As for the abortion issue, I think it would be silly for them to give up that up completely. Because thats the one issue thats keeping alot of the religious conservatives voting for them (as well as their stance on gay marriage, but it definitely seems like abortion is way more important). I personally know alot of Catholics who vote Republican almost solely because of their stance on abortion, despite acknowledging their shortcomings in areas of social justice and foreign policy. If they take the same posiiton as Democrats, they lose alot of those voters.

What they should do on the abortion issue, is not to take the hard line "no exceptions", but to take something like a "first trimester" stance (keep in legal within the first trimester, but restrictions after that ). That would be enough to at least keep the religious conservatives in their pocket, but would prevent them getting hammered on the issue by interviewers.

[Toe Jam]

I would like to see someone along the lines of Jon Huntsman nominated by Republicans in 2016.

[Rdskns2000]

I would like to see someone along the lines of Jon Huntsman nominated by Republicans in 2016.

I would rather see Hunty as American Elect's candidate.

We need a viable third option in 2016. You will have Hillary one side and a Tea Party nut job on the other side.

[Burgold]

Seems that the GOP is not taking the road to moderation with so many apparently signing petitions. I wonder how mainstream and conservative Republicans view this. Will it further impact self-identification?

[Thiebear]

Well lets not blame the Entire Republican party for nominating a James Dean like moment: One had a Screaming fit, the other was taped saying he doesn't care about 47% of the Americans and it I heard it 28 times a day.

Not 2 years ago the Republicans Historically took over every House/Senate/Governor etc. seat in the country with an actual message.
Not 2 weeks ago the message was- the President isn't doing great, but this guy doesn't care about me so the Dems won with 50%?

If we can get Gas prices below 3$ you will see an uptick in the economy as everything gets cheaper when the trucks can affort to go places.

Burgold: Normal people see the petitions as just an extension to the kill list.. all will be added and sorted, President Santa knows who is naughty or nice.