Will the Republicans continue to obstruct, or will they actually work with the president this time around?

[Burgold]

Also Burgold, I went over there to BGO and checked out the political threads over there. It seems like all of our right leaning friends went over there and took over that side. How do you do it over there I see ND, Sarge are there. (Not trying to derail the thread).

When I first came to ES, the board was quite right leaning. It seems when the tough gets going the conservatives get going to another board

It can be a little rough, but I like debate. Some of the rhetoric is way over the top. I figure if I present facts and my point of view that I can learn from them and they can learn from me. Mind you, I'm not sure how much they can hear me sometimes with all the shouting.

[Hersh]

that's broad enough that 2012 actions would qualify

Leading Republicans understand that they have to get immigration reform done asap. Major corporation CEOs will put enormous pressure on political leaders to compromise on taxes and entitlement reform in order to avoid the problems they will face should we go past the fiscal cliff. All three will get done out of political necessity.

[Larry]

Yahoo: FBI, CIA face questions about Petraeus affair

WASHINGTON (AP) — The career of David Petraeus, the CIA director and a renowned military general, was derailed by allegedly vicious emails his paramour sent to another woman. Now the CIA, FBI and White House face questions from Congress about Petraeus' love life and how his emails came under investigation.

Petraeus quit his post Friday after acknowledging an extramarital relationship.

(More at link.)

Oh, goody. Congress has decided to investigate people for having an affair.

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Yahoo: Florida Gov. Rick Scott says no to health care law

Florida Republican Gov. Rick Scott says he will not implement the state health insurance exchanges mandated in the 2010 federal health care law despite President Barack Obama's re-election.

The Sarasota Herald-Tribune reports:

Speaking on the New College of Florida campus following a meeting of the state's university governing board, Scott said it will cost taxpayers and business owners too much to expand Medicaid and set up health insurance exchanges as called for under the law.

"No one has been able to show me that that health care exchange is going to do anything rather than raise taxes, raise the cost of our companies to do business," Scott said, adding that expanding Medicaid would also require tax increases.

Scott is one of many Republican governors who have resisted the state programs required by the law before Election Day, but he's the first to voice continued resistance after the election.

Like two more sentences at link.

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Gee, I wonder what these stories say, about the topic of the thread?

[deejaydana]

When I first came to ES, the board was quite right leaning. It seems when the tough gets going the conservatives get going to another board

It can be a little rough, but I like debate. Some of the rhetoric is way over the top. I figure if I present facts and my point of view that I can learn from them and they can learn from me. Mind you, I'm not sure how much they can hear me sometimes with all the shouting.

I haven't given up representing the right Burg! Afterall someone has to keep the board from listing hopelessly and endlessly left. I do agree that at times the board devolves into shouting matches or many members simply talking past each other to get points across/heard. It doesn't always feel like it's productive but you take the good with the bad. You've always been a poster who seems to be able to hear the other side and keep emotions in check. I don't agree with you often but I respect you always. Ok, now time to post again in the media bias thread!

[Thiebear]

When I first came to ES, the board was quite right leaning. It seems when the tough gets going the conservatives get going to another board

It can be a little rough, but I like debate. Some of the rhetoric is way over the top. I figure if I present facts and my point of view that I can learn from them and they can learn from me. Mind you, I'm not sure how much they can hear me sometimes with all the shouting.

I would say the board is about Huffington Post level, not quite DailyKos but the posts from there are tripling, whereas a few years ago people would point out MotherJones is not to post from as if it was Neutral.

[Larry]

I would say the board is about Huffington Post level, not quite DailyKos but the posts from there are tripling, . . .

I suppose it would be silly to ask you to back up your claim with some actual facts, wouldn't it?

[zoony]

Looking at this thread, I think a better question might be:

When the Republicans continue to obstruct, will their followers continue to claim that it isn't happening?

It's interesting. Under GW Bush when the economy started to show trouble in 2007, the new Democratic House under that evil Nancy Pelosi passed a stimulus to try to help the economy and the President. And nevermind your feelings about its effectiveness or the effectiveness of stimulus in general, because thats beside the point

if the Republicans could pass a bill to destroy the American Economy and pin it on Obama they would do it in a second. Tells you all you need to know. No wonder they lost the election and will most likely be extinct in 20 years. The country is determined to move on without them.

[deejaydana]

It's interesting. Under GW Bush when the economy started to show trouble in 2007, the new Democratic House under that evil Nancy Pelosi passed a stimulus to try to help the economy and the President. And nevermind your feelings about its effectiveness or the effectiveness of stimulus in general, because thats beside the point

if the Republicans could pass a bill to destroy the American Economy and pin it on Obama they would do it in a second. Tells you all you need to know. No wonder they lost the election and will most likely be extinct in 20 years. The country is determined to move on without them.

I think some people had issue with how and where that stimulus money went to. People want to feel there was at least some value employed in the aftermath of firing up the fiscal printing presses. The economy over the next 4 years make put the brakes to people's elation over Obama's win. The numbers weren't a rebuke of either party. If the economy continues to tank I don't see any love for either party from the people at large.

[twa]

How many trillions more have followed?

are you claiming enough spending wasn't passed?

[AsburySkinsFan]

I suppose it would be silly to ask you to back up your claim with some actual facts, wouldn't it?

Holy crap, not a chance ES is HoffPost level, I am a Moderate and I LEFT the Huffingtonpost because it was so Left leaning!!

[deejaydana]

How many trillions more have followed?

are you claiming enough spending wasn't passed?

There are people out there who really think more spending is what's needed...incredibly. I don't know why Greece can't be used as a warning sign for us. Or Spain. All we're doing now is delaying the pain that's sure to come.

[Larry]

Never mind. Never ask a troll to shovel more.

[skinsfan_1215]

There are people out there who really think more spending is what's needed...incredibly. I don't know why Greece can't be used as a warning sign for us. Or Spain. All we're doing now is delaying the pain that's sure to come.

I actually think the only ones proposing more spending was the Romney campaign and their defense increases. Everyone else seems to be on board with a deficit reduction plan that involves spending cuts, though it's yet to be seen whether the GOP will agree to modest tax increases on the wealth to go with the cuts.

[Heisenberg]

I would say the board is about Huffington Post level, not quite DailyKos but the posts from there are tripling, whereas a few years ago people would point out MotherJones is not to post from as if it was Neutral.

No way in hell.

The main reason this board seems so left leaning is the fact that the GOP has been overtaken by the relgious right and/or Tea Party and has driven more moderate people like myself away. I've voted Republican in the past but it's becoming increasingly difficult for me to even stomach the thought of voting for anybody associated with the party.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Yahoo: FBI, CIA face questions about Petraeus affair



(More at link.)

Oh, goody. Congress has decided to investigate people for having an affair.

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Yahoo: Florida Gov. Rick Scott says no to health care law



Like two more sentences at link.

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Gee, I wonder what these stories say, about the topic of the thread?

For your first point, absolutely there should be an investigation. If the President's FBI was ALREADY investigated the General and his lack of security with his gmail account and what the biographer was doing, Congress needs to shed some light on this as well.

If anything, Congress has been very unwilling the last decade to hold a President's feet to the fire with regards to indiscretions by law enforcement agencies.

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Looking at this thread, I think a better question might be:

When the Republicans continue to obstruct, will their followers continue to claim that it isn't happening?

As I stated before, where the Republicans SHOULD obstruct (the drone policy in particular) they are noting more then rubber stamps. The process of developing the secret kill lists should be investigated, who is being targeted and how should be investigated, and why drones are such a tool used by this administration to wage undeclared wars SHOULD be obstructed.

Instead its a rubber stamp. And ultimately the President controls things like drones, foreign policies, law enforcement, the military far more then he does an economy. And Republicans have sat on the sideline