WT: Redskins have some pieces that fit, some that don’t (Haslett quote)

[KDawg]

the way i look at it is, losers are going to cry about it, and continue to play bad, and winners are going to step up and prove the coaches wrong. essentially, both shanahan and haslett have called out the team, and its time for the players to respond. the players who step up, will continue to be apart of this team. the players who continue to make mistakes, will be let go. i think this is what the coaches are trying to accomplish by telling the media the things they are.

There are better ways to motivate football players. Neither Shanahan or Haslett have the amount of respect necessary to call out the entire team and not expect the team to respond negatively. Not many coaches do.

[mojo]

There are better ways to motivate football players. Neither Shanahan or Haslett have the amount of respect necessary to call out the entire team and not expect the team to respond negatively. Not many coaches do.

Shannahan has Super Bowl rings. What players on this team beyond RG3 and London have the amount of respect necessary not to be called out? I say only those two bc RG3 has done everything in his power to win and London has earned that respect from his highly productive career.

[skins island connection]

There are better ways to motivate football players. Neither Shanahan or Haslett have the amount of respect necessary to call out the entire team and not expect the team to respond negatively. Not many coaches do.

I wonder if Haslett saw the initial and latter reaction to Mike's statement he made, saw how at first people were on Mike, then on the players to produce, and thought to himself 'hey, it worked for Mike, I should be able to sneak one in as well'. A delayed copycat if you will.

I think there's just too much antimosity [ spellcheck broke ] regatrding Haslett for him to survive past this season; every single blown play, incorrect call, anything negative about the defense, the fingers point to him. IMO, keeping him will end up being a growing distraction, with calls for his job growing louder and louder as the weeks go by, so they may as well get it over with ASAP.

[KDawg]

Shannahan has Super Bowl rings. What players on this team beyond RG3 and London have the amount of respect necessary not to be called out? I say only those two bc RG3 has done everything in his power to win and London has earned that respect from his highly productive career.

Great. How many has he won recently? And how many with Washington?

You can motivate your players without alienating them.

[darrelgreenie]

Another day another post from ll bashing Haslett... Shocking. This one really takes the cake though.

I know right? The irony is that I was one of the people that was never high on Haslett prior to this season. But now with a unit that lacks talent people are really beating up on the guy. The same people defended Kyle's poor offenses when his offensive unit lacked talent. Coaches need talent.

If I had to assign blame for the defense it would begin with our player/personnel decisions and structure and for individual staffers I would blame Slowick, Raheem and Burney as much as I blame Haslett. Not one unit has produced this season. Another irony is that the S might be the best perfoming unit by PFF, IIRC.

[skins island connection]

I know right? The irony is that I was one of the people that was never high on Haslett prior to this season. But now with a unit that lacks talent people are really beating up on the guy. The same people defended Kyle's poor offenses when his offensive unit lacked talent. Coaches need talent.

If I had to assign blame to the defensive staff I would blame Slowick, Raheem and Burney as much as I blame Haslett.

I wasn't high on Kyle either; I considered him to be a product of Johnson/Shaub being stud players, but I also know he is young, and will adjust and learn. Haslett has been around the block with a number of teams, and has a proven track record of failure.
If having stud players makes Haslett look good, then that doesn't make him a good coach, it only places him at the right place at the right time.
Thats not coaching...

[authentic]

And people seriously think it can get worse or do no good to fire this chump now....

what are we waiting for? Thats my only question...

[Lavarleap56]

I know right? The irony is that I was one of the people that was never high on Haslett prior to this season. But now with a unit that lacks talent people are really beating up on the guy. The same people defended Kyle's poor offenses when his offensive unit lacked talent. Coaches need talent.

If I had to assign blame for the defense it would begin with our player/personnel decisions and structure and for individual staffers I would blame Slowick, Raheem and Burney as much as I blame Haslett. Not one unit has produced this season. Another irony is that the S might be the best perfoming unit by PFF, IIRC.

Yes the defense lacks talent, Yes players have underperformed, Yes coaches have underperformed as well. I have been clear that my opinion is it is a organizational failure and not just one persons fault. Exactly what in the OP is digging at Haslett ?

1.It's his quote

2.Player reaction to said quote

3. Info about internal talk Raheem taking over the interim

4. Thinking it is wrong to hrow guys under the bus after they have gone to bat for him.

5. I didn't agree with Mikes comments either on Sunday

I didn't attack him, his scheme, his play calling, none of that. There are ways to motivate guys and ways not to and these comments are not how you do it. Various players and ex players have heard them and most of the responses are A) Hes trying to save a job, B) he's basically saying hes working with trash.

I feel bad for the guy because he didn't want to run a 3-4 but at the end of the day he took the job.

---------- Post added November-9th-2012 at 11:40 PM ----------

what are we waiting for? Thats my only question...

sounds like Mike wants to see if he can turn it around in a few games..

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

sounds like Mike wants to see if he can turn it around in a few games..

My guess would be that we are planning to get Meriweather back next week and Shanny wants to see if that has an impact on our play on the field. I could be reaching here...

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

I feel bad for the guy because he didn't want to run a 3-4 but at the end of the day he took the job.[COLOR="Gold"]
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For a simplistic hit and run look at this issue:

Haslett average points ranking running 3-4 defenses:

16.5

Haslett average points allowed ranking running 4-3 defenses:

24.6

Maybe Haslett prefers the 4-3 because the 3-4 more readily exposes a coach's lack of creativity and ability to scheme, while a bad 4-3 defense can be blamed on "talent" like he's attempting to do now? Sadly, there's nobody in the media who's been able to break down the utter ineptitude of Has's scheme like posters on here have.

Again, wanna see a 3-4 that's not loaded with talent up and down the roster? Look at the Colts.

[Lavarleap56]

My guess would be that we are planning to get Meriweather back next week and Shanny wants to see if that has an impact on our play on the field. I could be reaching here...

There is that.. The other one I have heard is Bruce Allens not sure about rolling Raheem out into this mess or not before the offseason. A lot of fans rag on Raheem but Allen thinks he can be a very very good head coach still....

---------- Post added November-10th-2012 at 12:17 AM ----------

For a simplistic hit and run look at this issue:

Haslett average points ranking running 3-4 defenses:

16.5

Haslett average points allowed ranking running 4-3 defenses:

24.6

Maybe Haslett prefers the 4-3 because the 3-4 more readily exposes a coach's lack of creativity and ability to scheme, while a bad 4-3 defense can be blamed on "talent" like he's attempting to do now? Sadly, there's nobody in the media who's been able to break down the utter ineptitude of Has's scheme like posters on here have.

Again, wanna see a 3-4 that's not loaded with talent up and down the roster? Look at the Colts.

I think he was just more up to date and current on the 4-3. Usually NFL changes every 3 years and advances, a lot of changes happen in ten years..

[darrelgreenie]

Exactly what in the OP is digging at Haslett ?

Mahon's might have been refering to the OP, I was refering to the general ES sentiment expressed in these threads.

---------- Post added November-9th-2012 at 09:58 PM ----------

I wasn't high on Kyle either; I considered him to be a product of Johnson/Shaub being stud players, but I also know he is young, and will adjust and learn. Haslett has been around the block with a number of teams, and has a proven track record of failure.
If having stud players makes Haslett look good, then that doesn't make him a good coach, it only places him at the right place at the right time.
Thats not coaching...

You know the difference between this offense and the average to far below average previous Kyle Shanahan Redskin's offenses? Talent spelled: R o b e r t G r i f f i n

---------- Post added November-9th-2012 at 10:00 PM ----------

I wasn't high on Kyle either; I considered him to be a product of Johnson/Shaub being stud players, but I also know he is young, and will adjust and learn. Haslett has been around the block with a number of teams, and has a proven track record of failure.
If having stud players makes Haslett look good, then that doesn't make him a good coach, it only places him at the right place at the right time.
Thats not coaching...

You know the difference between this offense and the average to far below average previous Kyle Shanahan Redskin's offenses? Talent spelled: R o b e r t G r i f f i n

[Bishop Hammer]

What a jerk. When you point a finger three more are pointing back at you.

[MustangSteve]

How in the blue hell can that man say he put's the players into position(s) to win? I see 15 yard cushions on 3rd 5, a 3 man pass rush, soft zone, a cover zero on a crucial 3rd down, etc. etc. etc.

Thank you Boss Hog! It also sounds to me like Haslett is putting all the blame on the players as well. You give that man a hall of fame defense in their prime, and they would still give up 30 points because of Hasletts 3 man rush, soft cushion and no intensity! I seriously do not see Haslett stopping the Eagles or Cowboys, so lets hope and pray for a lot of points somehow.

[moondog]

"I come to work, I work hard, I do the best I can with what we got and try to put these guys in position to win games and be successful on defense,” “That’s all really I can do.” ............
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Given your close(r) interaction with the players, what do you feel is the general mindset of the players right now? Does it seem like they'll come together and finish strong, or is it more along the lines of a "Why the hell is our head coach and coordinator saying this ****" and it's going to continue to suck for fans/team down the stretch for the final 7 games like normal?