Mike Shanahan.. Extension or move on, what would you do ?

[Skinzfever2010]

I don't understand some of the logic in here. Haslett took orders from Mike. He offered his own perspective on what we should do with our defense and Mike forced him to do what he thought was best.

Mike needs to change if he wants to be here. Mike Wise was onto something in his article last week. Admit your wrong and have been wrong about things that have contributed to the failure of the first three years, give yourself some credit for not over spending on has beens and make changes to correct problems.

We're not going to be in a good position next year with the cap hit and no draft picks. The mistakes he made in year 1 are doing us in. We didn't need to send Philly two picks. We also didn't need to gut the 4-3.

[Skinzfever2010]

That's great and all Diesel, but are you really comparing Shanny to Knoll? The Redskins to the Steelers? That era of football to today's era? You do realize that they had the greatest draft class of all-time, right?

Yeah, I'm not understanding that. Thats almost as extreme as Lakers & Redskins

[SWFLSkins]

Losing games was expected, how they are losing is what is troubling.

I took Coughlin two years to turnaround the Giants and then four to win a SB, then hit the skids again and almost got fired before winning it all again. He walked into a team that had some parts, Shanahan did not have the parts. I do agree though it is troubling that the only parts the team seemed to have was on D and that has gone down hill since his arrival. Now granted losing Orakpo and Carriker, not having a true starting safety on the roster is hard to overcome, it is troubling that the one strength of the team has since dwindled, can Shanahan manage a complete team makeover as Coughlin managed to do?

Can the fans and the owner be forgiving enough in the process? Will the Coach make the right moves going forward?

[illone]

Hmmm... that makes it tougher. If ya keep Mike I would try to extend Kyle. I do like the offense he's designed and called. Imagine the last two games with fifteen more catches instead of drops. Sigh.

Drops and poor discipline are a direct result of poor coaching. Skins have some talent and you can see WR get open, there are lanes to run in, and tackles to be made on defense. This team historically plays to the level of it's competition. i.e. losing to teams like Detroit/Cincy and beating teams like NYG and Green Bay.

Three years is long enough to at least instill discipline and how to catch or tackle. Basic football concepts seem to be lost on this team.

It all boils down to leadership. Leadership at the top of this organization is dysfunctional.

[Skinzfever2010]

I took Coughlin two years to turnaround the Giants and then four to win a SB, then hit the skids again and almost got fired before winning it all again. He walked into a team that had some parts, Shanahan did not have the parts. I do agree though it is troubling that the only parts the team seemed to have was on D and that has gone down hill since his arrival. Now granted losing Orakpo and Carriker, not having a true starting safety on the roster is hard to overcome, it is troubling that the one strength of the team has since dwindled, can Shanahan manage a complete team makeover as Coughlin managed to do?

I'm sorry but thats bull ****. Mike inherited A TOP DEFENSE that needed some fine tuning. He had a strong secondary and a solid DE/LB in Brian Orakpo. The offense is what needed to be retooled.

The first thing he did wrong was completely destroy this team's strength. Stop being in denial. Gibbs II inherited a real mess.

[Diss]

it just doesn't matter. We have a clown running the show who doesn't know the first thing about organizational leadership.

Now that's the truth. It all comes back to this every year, doesn't it? I've tried to downplay the role that this plays on team performance over the years, but it's the only constant.

I have no idea what to do at this point. New coach? Sure, bring in another sacrificial lamb. Keep Shanny? Sure, why the hell not. I'm just numb to this team's ineptitude. I think I can honestly say I've seen it all at this point.

I guess I would have to lean toward staying the course at least another year, because that at least goes against the grain.

But it's gonna be a Looonnngg second half of the season, I'm afraid.

[Lavarleap56]

NM...useless to state it here.

Just fire up the torches and continue burning........

nobody is burning torches.. just brainstorming a situation. Bye week and its just a discussion. This isnt meant to be a ZOMG Shanny thread.

---------- Post added November-11th-2012 at 02:44 PM ----------

Hard to see Kyle not being extended though. No?

As for Mike - totally depends in my mind on how next season goes. If its not at least 9 wins then I think its time to move on ..

What if he doesn't want a extension....

---------- Post added November-11th-2012 at 02:49 PM ----------

Chuck Noll

1969: 1-13
1970: 5-9
1971: 6-8

And he drafted his franchise Qb in 1970 and it still took him 2 years to start winning.

Once again, Redskins fans claim they have patience and could sit through a rebuild. That notion is extremely laughable.

Damn how in the hell did I miss Chuck Noll lol.. good stuff

Patience for a rebuild is easy.. The issues the team is having are not from a rebuild.

---------- Post added November-11th-2012 at 02:54 PM ----------

I took Coughlin two years to turnaround the Giants and then four to win a SB, then hit the skids again and almost got fired before winning it all again. He walked into a team that had some parts, Shanahan did not have the parts. I do agree though it is troubling that the only parts the team seemed to have was on D and that has gone down hill since his arrival. Now granted losing Orakpo and Carriker, not having a true starting safety on the roster is hard to overcome, it is troubling that the one strength of the team has since dwindled, can Shanahan manage a complete team makeover as Coughlin managed to do?

Can the fans and the owner be forgiving enough in the process? Will the Coach make the right moves going forward?

You could make the argument that the football team is in the same shape as when shanny took over minus RG3.

[SittingBull]

I'm sorry but thats bull ****. Mike inherited A TOP DEFENSE that needed some fine tuning. He had a strong secondary and a solid DE/LB in Brian Orakpo. The offense is what needed to be retooled.

The first thing he did wrong was completely destroy this team's strength. Stop being in denial. Gibbs II inherited a real mess.

I agree with you that our biggest strength became our biggest weakness but our defense was in need of an overhaul regardless. Our defensive line's avg age had to be 35 with carter, wynn, daniels and griffin. And our best CB in Rogers wanted out.

[Lavarleap56]

I agree with you that our biggest strength became our biggest weakness but our defense was in need of an overhaul regardless. Our defensive line's avg age had to be 35 with carter, wynn, daniels and griffin. And our best CB in Rogers wanted out.

Shannahan hasnt had a strong history building a defense as a GM/HC.. Think that is more a indictment on his GM abilities than coaching.

[SWFLSkins]

I took Coughlin two years to turnaround the Giants and then four to win a SB, then hit the skids again and almost got fired before winning it all again. He walked into a team that had some parts, Shanahan did not have the parts. I do agree though it is troubling that the only parts the team seemed to have was on D and that has gone down hill since his arrival. Now granted losing Orakpo and Carriker, not having a true starting safety on the roster is hard to overcome, it is troubling that the one strength of the team has since dwindled, can Shanahan manage a complete team makeover as Coughlin managed to do?

Can the fans and the owner be forgiving enough in the process? Will the Coach make the right moves going forward?

I'm sorry but thats bull ****. Mike inherited A TOP DEFENSE that needed some fine tuning. He had a strong secondary and a solid DE/LB in Brian Orakpo. The offense is what needed to be retooled.

The first thing he did wrong was completely destroy this team's strength. Stop being in denial. Gibbs II inherited a real mess.

Comprehension is your friend, ........friend.

......I said as much. And it is the reason I used Coughlin as an example, he took that strength and built on it, while building the O and the ST's, can Shanahan do the same, it is suspect at this point and reason for concern.

[Bigmuss1]

Extension, new DC and other coaches.

Gotta keep him and Kyle

[Lavarleap56]

I agree with you that our biggest strength became our biggest weakness but our defense was in need of an overhaul regardless. Our defensive line's avg age had to be 35 with carter, wynn, daniels and griffin. And our best CB in Rogers wanted out.

Shannahan hasn't had a strong history building a defense as a GM/HC.. Think that is more a indictment on his GM abilities than coaching.

[REDSKYNYRD]

"I" would extend Shanahan and son for 1 more year and fire Jim Haslett and Danny Smith yesterday. I would not hire anyone over 50 years old that "has-been" with another losing team OR sell the team and cut my losses. This never ending re-build has lasted long enough. IMO.

[DieselPwr44]

That's great and all Diesel, but are you really comparing Shanny to Knoll? The Redskins to the Steelers? That era of football to today's era? You do realize that they had the greatest draft class of all-time, right?

That wasn't until 1974.

By ES standards, Noll would be fired in 71 and the Steelers dominance of the 70's never happens.

[Skinzfever2010]

Our 4-3 needed a young aggressive Dline and another LB. Our secondary was off the chain. Dhall, Los, Landry, were a strong trio. We should've drafted a nasty FS. It didn't need to be blown up. They were ballin in 2010.