Fox NFL Sunday via Jay Glazer: Dan Snyder not Happy with Coach Shanahan's Comments After Carolina Game.

[hail2skins]

Again, this all comes back to organizational leadership. Snyder is clueless.

Snyder has been so focused on having the proper coach throughout his tenure as owner, and I hope Shanny's underwhelming performance in the W-L ledger to date is teaching Dan a lesson that its just not as simple as paying a pedigreed guy a lot of money and magic will happen just like that. Hopefully he is learning from this process.

[zoony]

Snyder has been so focused on having the proper coach throughout his tenure as owner, and I hope Shanny's underwhelming performance in the W-L ledger to date is teaching Dan a lesson that its just not as simple as paying a pedigreed guy a lot of money and magic will happen just like that. Hopefully he is learning from this process.

We need good, young talent at the GM position. Someone with fresh ideas. Someone who is HUNGRY to prove himself. An up and comer with a desire to pour everything he has into building a winner.

You give him the job and the expectations that come with the job. You then give him the tools he needs to get it done. You assess his performance to goal at the end of each season.

That's what you do.

You know what terrifies me? Snyder decides that he needs to hire a GM and he pays a GM "name" gobs of money to come in and try to replicate what he did with his old team back in 2001.

Of cours, Snyder will need to pay this GM gobs of money to consider coming here. The GM will also be guaranteed 5 years up front regardless of performance. Snyder will kiss his ass and go on scouting trips with him and be his buddy.

In short, we will be where we are now. A tired organization with tired ideas and no accountability for the bloated has beens running the show

[Wyvern]

I hope that Snyder doesn't delay publically expressing his full support for Mike Shanahan and for staying the course with MIke's approach for developing this this team.

It would also be important to let it be known that Shanahan will continue to guide this transition, and that if some players start to 'quit' on the head-coach -- well, those are players who may be leaving the team under less than ideal circumstances.

This media-created squabbling needs to be tamped down -- and Shanahan's authority re-established, at least through the end of the 2013 season. It's too early to consider blowing up the team, and any judgement of Shanahan should be based on Mike's performance in an environment of full front office and player support.

[Skins3000]

I hope that Snyder doesn't delay publically expressing his full support for Mike Shanahan and for staying the course with MIke's approach for developing this this team.

It would also be important to let it be known that Shanahan will continue to guide this transition, and that if some players start to 'quit' on the head-coach -- well, those are players who may be leaving the team under less than ideal circumstances.

This media-created squabbling needs to be tamped down -- and Shanahan's authority re-established, at least through the end of the 2013 season. It's too early to consider blowing up the team, and any judgement of Shanahan should be based on Mike's performance in an environment of full front office and player support.

Why do everyone think the team will be blown up if a new gm and coach come to town? The core pieces or players that have some value will remain but the dead weight would be buried in my opinion with a good gm. The Banks, Doughtys, Halls, Wilsons, Williams, Fletchers, and this lists is long would be gone next year any way. The only sure players on this team are Orakpo, Kerrigan, Trent Williams, RG3, Garcon, Morgan and Morris. To be honest these are the only players worth keeping but a person could make a case for the offensive line in its entirety because the line has played well but after that an over haul is needed on both sides of the ball.

[Dallsux]

I'm sure Dan is frustrated like we all are, but I highly doubt Mike gets canned before the end of the year or at all.

In other news, scientists confirm, water is wet.

[RedskinParadigm]

And how much better has Shanahan been then Zorn and spurrier

A lot. A lot, a lot, a lot. It's not even close.

Please do more than look at W-L when assessing the direction of an organization. Nothing is more short-sighted than only looking at a team's record.

[RedskinParadigm]

The only sure players on this team are Orakpo, Kerrigan, Trent Williams, RG3, Garcon, Morgan and Morris. To be honest these are the only players worth keeping but a person could make a case for the offensive line in its entirety because the line has played well but after that an over haul is needed on both sides of the ball.

Other players worth keeping?

Just off the top of my head: Leonard Hankerson, Niles Paul, Roy Helu, Fred Davis, Aldrick Robinson, Josh LeRibeus, Adam Gettis, Darrel Young, Kirk Cousins, Jarvis Jenkins, Stephen Bowen, Perry Riley, Keenan Robinson, Lorenzo Alexander, Logan Paulsen, Richard Crawford, Adam Carriker, Kai Forbath, Nick Sundberg, Rob Jackson.

Call me crazy, but I'd like to keep the core of a top 10 offense learning a relatively new scheme under the direction of a rookie QB for longer than 9 games.

Also, just because a player doesn't produce like a pro-bowler by the age of 24 doesn't mean that the guy has no value for an NFL team.

[Duckus]

A lot about what I posted earlier (Shanny being called an "expensive joke" by a team exec and Dan telling Shanny to backtrack on the "evaluation" stuff"

Also, Slowik is trying to sabotage Morris out of being DC next year because Haslett is staying but will be gone in the offseason. (LL was pissed because he says that the coaches are more worried about fighting instead of the game Sunday)

We've reached out to Kyle for an extension but it's not 100% clear that he wants to stay and he WILL take a HC job if offered.

Oh and one of them says that Garcon's injury was made worse by the staff because they misdiagnosed it and he may be rushed back to give the team a better shot at winning games in order to save "someone"'s job

So basically, we are ****** and have more drama.

---------- Post added November-13th-2012 at 09:56 PM ----------

Hopefully, TK will come in and clarify more since he was present during the podcast

Good lord.

[Enter Apotheosis]

I tell you Zoony I have been a loyal supporter of this team all my life, but I think I would have to take a step back from the team if Shanahan is gone at the end of this season. No way I could continue to stay as emotionally attached to the team. This team is never going to improve if it keeps changing direction and leadership every 2 or 3 years. I'm just not going to buy it anymore. I'm sick of this organization being the laughing stock of the NFL.

People need to be careful what they wish for, because they just might get it. The best thing that happens is the team gets hot and finishes out the season strong.

Absolutely agree. If Snyder reneges on his agreement to let Shanahan have five years, I'm not sure I'll ever be able to trust him to stay out of his own way regardless of how Shanahan's tenure plays out. I've certainly given him the benefit of the doubt after stepping back after the fiasco that was 2009 but this is still effectively a trial period for his ability to be a smart owner.

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

The man behind the curtain is Snyder. It always has been. He is the constant in this whole big pile of steaming garbage. He is incompetent. He is a loser. I hate him and I plan on walking up to him in hell and beating him with my bare fists for all eternity.

[Skins3000]

[QUOTE=RedskinParadigm;9265496]Other players worth keeping?

Just off the top of my head: Leonard Hankerson, Niles Paul, Roy Helu, Fred Davis, Aldrick Robinson, Josh LeRibeus, Adam Gettis, Darrel Young, Kirk Cousins, Jarvis Jenkins, Stephen Bowen, Perry Riley, Keenan Robinson, Lorenzo Alexander, Logan Paulsen, Richard Crawford, Adam Carriker, Kai Forbath, Nick Sundberg, Rob Jackson.

Call me crazy, but I'd like to keep the core of a top 10 offense learning a relatively new scheme under the direction of a rookie QB for longer than 9 games.

Also, just because a player doesn't produce like a pro-bowler by the age of 24 doesn't mean that the guy has no value for an NFL team.[/QU






Out of that list only Perry Riley is worth having around. These players mentioned would not catch on with other teams with the exception of Kirk Cousins that luxury pick. Just because they are Redskins players does not mean they are good players or for that matter have value. Even the coach is questioning the players ability to be good and that coach actually picked these players so what is that saying.

[bedlamVR]

Why do everyone think the team will be blown up if a new gm and coach come to town? The core pieces or players that have some value will remain but the dead weight would be buried in my opinion with a good gm. The Banks, Doughtys, Halls, Wilsons, Williams, Fletchers, and this lists is long would be gone next year any way. The only sure players on this team are Orakpo, Kerrigan, Trent Williams, RG3, Garcon, Morgan and Morris. To be honest these are the only players worth keeping but a person could make a case for the offensive line in its entirety because the line has played well but after that an over haul is needed on both sides of the ball.

This is the problem - If you only ever keep people who are performing you never develop talent and there is no saying these players will fit the new scheme what ever it is ...

I am disturbed about this and I normally dislike these sewing circle conspiracy threads but it just goes on to tell us that what appeared fixed is much more of an ingrained problem - If Snyder is pushing Shanahan out (and i think Kyle is waiting to see what happens with Mike before deciding anything) because he is listening to none football executives then we will never be a good franchise .

[Thinking Skins]

A lot. A lot, a lot, a lot. It's not even close.

Please do more than look at W-L when assessing the direction of an organization. Nothing is more short-sighted than only looking at a team's record.

What makes you say this? What's the direction of the organization other than stalemate? We're still a losing franchise. We're still going after high priced free agents who don't work out. We've still got an offense that can't score points and a defense that (has gotten worse) can't stop anybody when it matters. Then, we were set on building around Campbell and a solid defense. Now we're planning on building around RG3. Sometimes I think fans confuse the words "change" and "progress", yeah we have new players, but just like back in 2008 we have a bunch of players that wouldn't be starting on other teams.

---------- Post added November-14th-2012 at 06:17 AM ----------

A lot. A lot, a lot, a lot. It's not even close.

Please do more than look at W-L when assessing the direction of an organization. Nothing is more short-sighted than only looking at a team's record.

Also, why is Zorn used as the measuring stick? Lets just admit that he's a bad coach, but Gibbs had this program on the right ship, why are we not meauring Shanny by Gibbs's standards (and yeah, I mean Gibbs 2)? Sad to say that as critical of Gibbs II, he's LEAPS AND BOUNDS better than Shanny. U know what I'd give for a 9-7 record or 10-6 playoff run. Could we repeat history where we went on a 5-0 run to close out the season and make the playoffs in 2005? Its possible, but I don't see it happening. Meanwhile, people act like Shanny's some holy grail of coaching and stability because he's supposedly better than Zorn, when he hasn't even gotten this franchise back to Gibbs's level of success.

[Arsenic]

I'm starting to think we lack a good motivator. Im fine with Kyle at OC... Raheem at DC.. Put Gruden on the sidelines & let him slap some refs around.. Keep the current offense & let the new coach have the mic. I guess youd have to put Sr somewhere in the FO.. Make it look like a promotion, to keep down on the drama.. blame his health or something.. gotta be tricky, around these parts

[Thinking Skins]

I hope that Snyder doesn't delay publically expressing his full support for Mike Shanahan and for staying the course with MIke's approach for developing this this team.

I would also love for Snyder to come out and say this, as it would probably mean that Shanny's likely to be fired at the end of the season, if not sooner (ala what the Lakers did with Mike Brown).

---------- Post added November-14th-2012 at 06:33 AM ----------

Of cours, Snyder will need to pay this GM gobs of money to consider coming here. The GM will also be guaranteed 5 years up front regardless of performance. Snyder will kiss his ass and go on scouting trips with him and be his buddy.

In short, we will be where we are now. A tired organization with tired ideas and no accountability for the bloated has beens running the show

I've come to accept that the Redskins under Snyder will be what the Bullets/Wizards were under Abe Polin for most of my life, a bottom dweller team that occasionally sniffs near a 500 record. Similar to Abe, Danny likes to be friends with the people in power and doesn't know the idea of hiring a young and hungry guy to prove himself.

Its cool though as the Redskins sucking for the last 10 years has forced me to expose myself to other interests. I've taken up reading, writing, other sports, got a few degrees, and I owe it all to Snyder's ownership of the Skins. I really should be thanking him.

---------- Post added November-14th-2012 at 06:34 AM ----------

Snyder has been so focused on having the proper coach throughout his tenure as owner, and I hope Shanny's underwhelming performance in the W-L ledger to date is teaching Dan a lesson that its just not as simple as paying a pedigreed guy a lot of money and magic will happen just like that. Hopefully he is learning from this process.

Some people are slow learners, especially when your money tells you that you can make magic happen.