Is it time to start evaluating the Scouting Dept? (what should we do going forward?)

[tibbidoe]

That makes sense but it probably wouldn't have made any difference. The money Dan Snyder has thrown at players and coaches has been wasted. He would probably screw up throwing money at scouts also.

If he were to just sign the checks, as it seems he's mostly doing now, then someone else could run the scouting department properly. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt now (to an extent), where before I wouldn't have. He seems to understand that he doesn't know enough to run things.

[pjfootballer]

only time maryland produced a 3-4 OLB they ran a 3-3-5 and Shawne Merriman played DE and OLB.

He is 90% right tho.

Georgia ? they just started running this. Justin Houston was drafted in 2011 he plays OLB for the chiefs. Is playing well... he played DE in a 4-3 while at georgia.
LSU plays with 4 down linemen your just flat out wrong here.
Notre Dame has produced 0 nlf caliber 3-4 OLBs or 3-4 DEs .

He said he didn't know of any college team that ran a 3-4. Whether or not players go to the NFL and are successful is irrelevant to the question. I may have been wrong on a couple, but it was just my guess without looking it up. I was just answering the question, not debating who was good or not. Get off your high horse.

[maskedsuperstar]

lmao

His argument was that they play a 3-4 and they don't. This further proves my point about majority of the 3-4 OLB come from college 4-3 schemese
Montgomery will most likely play in a 4-3 he has that profile
Mingo will be a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 pass rush specialist a la Bruce Irving

I am confused though. Do you stand on the side where transitioning players to from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB is not the best idea? or are you on the side that feels that it's common practice and that's where the majority and best 3-4 pass rushers come from?

I didn't mention any names but yeah those 2 can stand up and rush the passer. Generally, you would want your best 3-4 OLB to rush the QB's blind side. It also comes down to comfort. The defenses main purpose is confusion. It would be a plus if both OLB could rush from both sides.

[Oldfan]

S...Yeah, the impact of a great QB is vastly over-rated.

I don't consider all those QBs "great." But, since I don't want to get into a debate about all of them, can you explain why you think Eli is great?

[maskedsuperstar]

Lets be for real here. Rak is missed. The Skins aren't getting the sacks. Its frustrating. But it just goes to show you that in the 3-4, you need 2 OLB that can rush. Now, offenses are keying on Kerrigan. The Skins finished with 40 plus sacks last year. Haslett likes to bring pressure. But he can't. Too many break downs in the secondary.

---------- Post added November-14th-2012 at 02:59 PM ----------

I don't consider all those QBs "great." But, since I don't want to get into a debate about all of them, can you explain why you think Eli is great?

2 rings on his fingers?

---------- Post added November-14th-2012 at 03:02 PM ----------

I don't consider all those QBs "great." But, since I don't want to get into a debate about all of them, can you explain why you think Eli is great?

Oldfan, I know where you are going with this. I don't like Eli but you have to give him credit. He wins big games. No?

[theTruthTeller]

2 rings on his fingers?

Trent Dilfer is on a level with Peyton Manning and Brett Favre, right? Is it possible that the remaining players on the Giants roster and their coaching staff had something to do with the wins?

[Oldfan]

...2 rings on his fingers?

That's probably Mike's answer too. That the logical fallacy called 'circular reasoning."



Mike: It takes a great QB to win Super Bowls;

Why do you think Eli's great?

Mike: Because he won two Super Bowls.


BTW, I read an NFL column by Brian Billick claiming that Eli should now be considered elite because he won two rings. I went back a couple of days later and the column had been edited -- no mention of Eli. Someone must have alerted Billick to his circular reasoning. Peyton would not be elite by the two-ring standard.

[theTruthTeller]

That's probably Mike's answer too. That the logical fallacy called 'circular reasoning.

It takes a great QB to win Super Bowls;

Why do you think Eli's great?

Because he won two Super Bowls.

I'm a little confused as to why they are even holding the super bowl this year or next. With Eli at his prime, I may as well go catch a movie. Giants can't possible lose.

[maskedsuperstar]

Trent Dilfer is on a level with Peyton Manning and Brett Favre, right? Is it possible that the remaining players on the Giants roster and their coaching staff had something to do with the wins?

Trent Dilfer? He has ring because of the Ravens defense. Nothing more.

[maskedsuperstar]

That's probably Mike's answer too. That the logical fallacy called 'circular reasoning.

It takes a great QB to win Super Bowls;

Why do you think Eli's great?

Because he won two Super Bowls.

He wins games. Can't say much more than that.

[theTruthTeller]

Trent Dilfer? He has ring because of the Ravens defense. Nothing more.

But Eli won his super bowls all by himself?

[SemperFi Skins]

Eli is garbage... He throws more blind passes than anyone i've ever seen. He makes it look like a hot potato when he's about to get hit and just chucks the damn thing... He doesn't hold a candle to Peyton...

[maskedsuperstar]

Trent Dilfer is on a level with Peyton Manning and Brett Favre, right? Is it possible that the remaining players on the Giants roster and their coaching staff had something to do with the wins?

Sure but when it comes down to it, a QB makes or breaks a team. The NFL is about scoring points. Green Bay sucked on defense last year. But they still went 15-1. Why?

[maskedsuperstar]

But Eli won his super bowls all by himself?

Didn't say that.

[Oldfan]

Trent Dilfer? He has ring because of the Ravens defense. Nothing more.

Well... the Raven's offense didn't score much, but they did play excellent ball control with Jamal Lewis which kept the defense off the field.

---------- Post added November-14th-2012 at 03:27 PM ----------

Sure but when it comes down to it, a QB makes or breaks a team. The NFL is about scoring points. Green Bay sucked on defense last year. But they still went 15-1. Why?

One reason Green Bay's defense looks so bad is that the offense is a quick strike team. They're not very good at putting together ball control drives to keep their defense off the field.

---------- Post added November-14th-2012 at 03:38 PM ----------

He wins games. Can't say much more than that.

He does not win games. His team wins games.

The question that a fan should ask is: Just how much did Eli contribute to those wins? He's a B-minus passer and he can't run. Thus, he needs much stronger team support to win than RG3 who is more talented as a passer and far more talented as a runner.