Chalk Talk: Dissecting the Duck, Skins Tie Ins (GRANTLAND Article + Discussion)

[Asianskins]

Good post KD, as usual. But, imo, all of those will work if and only if we have some damn WRs and TEs who can catch the ball. Just my two cents.

[NewEraofSkins08]

In my opinion, RG3 is capable of executing any offense well. I still believe we should keep Shanahan around...but starting to lose that support by the week. If a change is made, however; I think Chip Kelly is that guy. Charismatic, genius offensive-minded...give us Ron Rivera to coach up that defense and we'll be a power house in 3 years.

[KDawg]

In my opinion, RG3 is capable of executing any offense well. I still believe we should keep Shanahan around...but starting to lose that support by the week. If a change is made, however; I think Chip Kelly is that guy. Charismatic, genius offensive-minded...give us Ron Rivera to coach up that defense and we'll be a power house in 3 years.

Let me make this clear (and not to you, NewEraofSkins I'm just quoting you ), I don't know if Kelly would be the answer. I don't know if he'd fit. I don't know that Shanahan can't be effective. But if we continue on the path we're on, at the very least the conversation of change needs to come up. I think Chip Kelly is an EXTREMELY smart man, and I think his Duck offense has a ton of variations that Oregon doesn't show that can utilize any kind of personnel you have. Have hybrid tight end types? Perfect. We'll shift to a formation and play we like versus your personnel package. Have a larger offensive line? I think you could run the "Power O" play with an option off the backside.

There are just so many possibilities.

RIght now, Kelly has an astronomical edge in recruiting at Oregon. He gets fast, speedy guys that are in shape that are relatively football smart. So he sticks with the system we see. I have a feeling, and there is no proof whatsoever, but I have a feeling he could adapt that system to a pro system with relative ease and according to his personnel. Remember, the premise of a system isn't necessarily the "contraint" plays you run (bubble screens, etc) its your base offense. Kelly has a tempo driven offense that can grind you down in the rushing game or pick you apart in the passing game. Also keep in mind that RG3 is better, even comparatively, to anything he's ever had at quarterback at Oregon.

Again, I'm not sold on saying he's the next guy. Or that Shanahan isn't. But the system itself is very sound: Dictate the tempo, utilize your personnel in the most effective way and take what the defense gives you. The rest is adaptable.

[darrelgreenie]

One of the challenges with any college coach coming into the NFL is that he's no longer able to recruit from a talent base of hundreds of thousands of athletes to fill his team needs. Professional coaches are given a roster to work with, and barring a few maneuvers in free agency coupled with 7 alotted draft picks, that's the roster they're going into the season with. As we've seen with Shanahan, it's very difficult to turn over an entire roster quickly and effectively in this league. Either you have to make your system work with the talent you already have, or everyone involved with the franchise (owner, coaches, players, and fans) will have to be really patient with the rebuilding efforts.......

.......With a system as specialized as Kelly's, will he be able to find the necessary players that are athletic enough, diverse enough, and intelligent enough to run his scheme the way it needs to be run to be successful in the NFL? Do we have players that are system-ready for Kelly? That would be my major concern.

I'm having this conversation Independent of our HC/OC situation.

Re:Personnel
I think Chip Kelly's success with his system brought talent to the Ducks as opposed to many other schools that have a pipeline of talent regardless.


Re:Scheme
I think any sound football stratgey/scheme translates from college to NFL provided good coaching.
I think we're doing a lot of simplifying and generalzing when it comes to the Duck's offense. I'm not sure what aspect of the offense wouldn't translate? More and more teams have read option packages as part of their offense.

Our current offense is heavily based on read option albeit from Pistol more then spread.
Since we run read option from Pistol right now I don't see why we couldn't run it from spread (right now).

Re:Having the right players for Chip
I think we have thee most important player for the scheme.

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The more I see of Kelly's offense, the more I think it could possibly work in the NFL with a couple tweaks. I think we'd have to have to hook him up with one hell of a personnel guy, but with some tweaks, and a little flexibility, it could work in the NFL.

Part of me still says if we ever did make a switch, I'd want to go with someone in the West Coast Offense coaching tree and continue to developer RG3 as a dropback passer, because I feel like that's what he wants to be----the next Aaron Rodgers. I'm not wild about running him as much as we have past this season. But Chip's offense looks like it could work in the NFL. I just have to watch more tape of it.

If I was a GM the perfect coaching marriage for this offense would be a WCO coach that's put an offense together before (preferably spread WCO like the Packers) + 'Air Raid' read option coach (pretty much only available in college). The key factor being the veteran NFL coach has to believe in the viability of the marriage of concepts. I'm sure there are coaches like Gruden that see the possibilities.

Heck, Kyle could be the OC that leads the offense in that direction on his own.

[NewEraofSkins08]

Let me make this clear (and not to you, NewEraofSkins I'm just quoting you ), I don't know if Kelly would be the answer. I don't know if he'd fit. I don't know that Shanahan can't be effective. But if we continue on the path we're on, at the very least the conversation of change needs to come up. I think Chip Kelly is an EXTREMELY smart man, and I think his Duck offense has a ton of variations that Oregon doesn't show that can utilize any kind of personnel you have. Have hybrid tight end types? Perfect. We'll shift to a formation and play we like versus your personnel package. Have a larger offensive line? I think you could run the "Power O" play with an option off the backside.

There are just so many possibilities.

RIght now, Kelly has an astronomical edge in recruiting at Oregon. He gets fast, speedy guys that are in shape that are relatively football smart. So he sticks with the system we see. I have a feeling, and there is no proof whatsoever, but I have a feeling he could adapt that system to a pro system with relative ease and according to his personnel. Remember, the premise of a system isn't necessarily the "contraint" plays you run (bubble screens, etc) its your base offense. Kelly has a tempo driven offense that can grind you down in the rushing game or pick you apart in the passing game. Also keep in mind that RG3 is better, even comparatively, to anything he's ever had at quarterback at Oregon.

Again, I'm not sold on saying he's the next guy. Or that Shanahan isn't. But the system itself is very sound: Dictate the tempo, utilize your personnel in the most effective way and take what the defense gives you. The rest is adaptable.

I agree with all of this...must be a Upstate/Western NY thing.

[RFKFedEx]

Thanks for your input. However, I'm not sure what there is to "poop" on?

I'm not hating on your thread topic. Sorry if it came off that way. I've enjoyed reading this.

What I meant was... as fans we have such short memories. If Oregon stumbles at any point in the coming weeks, the 'I told you so' posters will have their leverage to compare the prospect of Kelly's system in the NFL to Spurrier in DC.

[KDawg]

I'm not hating on your thread topic. Sorry if it came off that way. I've enjoyed reading this.

What I meant was... as fans we have such short memories. If Oregon stumbles at any point in the coming weeks, the 'I told you so' posters will have their leverage to compare the prospect of Kelly's system in the NFL to Spurrier in DC.

You're right. But I've learned something over the years.

People who pop in to threads just to say "I told you so" with no substance and full of vitriol are generally the people who possess the least football knowledge around. So, I'm not too worried about it

[Lavarleap56]

I'm not hating on your thread topic. Sorry if it came off that way. I've enjoyed reading this.

What I meant was... as fans we have such short memories. If Oregon stumbles at any point in the coming weeks, the 'I told you so' posters will have their leverage to compare the prospect of Kelly's system in the NFL to Spurrier in DC.

I actually don't agree. Spurrier was a lazy coach ( understatement) and ultimately failed because he wouldn't adjust his offense . Kellly Is not a lazy coach and adapts and evolves the offense when/if defenses begin to stop him. I never saw that trait in Spurrier in DC.

[KDawg]

LL,

I don't think he was speaking to seeing the same traits in those kinda of coaches necessarily. I do t even think he said that because of football reasons. I think his point was that our fans will say its a gimmick offense if they have one off game because we're so fickle.

But for what it's worth... I agree with your stance.

[Lavarleap56]

LL,

I don't think he was speaking to seeing the same traits in those kinda of coaches necessarily. I do t even think he said that because of football reasons. I think his point was that our fans will say its a gimmick offense if they have one off game because we're so fickle.

But for what it's worth... I agree with your stance.

Gotcha, I have had so many of the Spurrier/Kelly debates in the past few days I probably jumped the gun

Another good vid for people...

Defenses started catching up and Chip Kelly switched it all up on them ..

[Rocket442Olds]

I agree with all of this...must be a Upstate/Western NY thing.

Must be, because I don't disagree. Even with Oregons offense getting a bit of a neutering this week.

I'm not calling for Shanahans head, but I think Chip Kelly is going to be looked at by quite a few NFL teams soon enough. I also think of course there is a risk involved with that. Some coaches just translate better to the College Game (Nick Saban) even if the offense they're running is considered a "pro-ready style". A lot of it in my opinion has to do with a coaches charisma during the recruiting process and hedging bets on good players and depth for your system. Saban does that better than anyone and it looks like Kelly is good at it as well. He is looking for completely different players but that doesn't matter.

A good example of a coach who translated well so far to the pros is Jim Harbaugh. His Offense doesn't look like it did in College where they were putting up 40 a game, but thats mainly personel and defense dictating what hes doing. Great coaches can adjust.

[Kirk Cousins' Cousins]

Lets hope chip stays until he wins a national championship, obviously and unfortunately not this year, after tonight. Then in a couple of years, after mike is done here and chip is ready, we grab him!

[Major Harris]

it's richrod's offense.

Mark me down as saying Kelly would not be highly successful in the NFL. I hesitate but seriously consider saying bust.

But great post kdawg.

[darrelgreenie]

it's richrod's offense.

Mark me down as saying Kelly would not be highly successful in the NFL. I hesitate but seriously consider saying bust.

But great post kdawg.

Do you think this because of the style of offense or because of him.

[Darth Tater]

Do you think this because of the style of offense or because of him.

My worry is that Chip Kelly's offense would be fun if it was a success in the NFL but because the Eagles will be looking for a new HC, I'd have to hope he was a bust if he got them.