RGIII is the 2012 Rookie of The Year! The Official RGIII Rookie of The Year Watch Thread

[windsofcreation]

You are comparing him to freakin Weeden and Sanchez??!

Luck - Comp% - 55.5 Yds - 3,596 TD - 17 Int - 16 Rate - 76.1
Weeden - Comp% - 57.0 Yds - 2,820 TD - 13 Int - 15 Rate - 72.3
Sanchez - Comp% - 55.0 Yds -- 2,436 TD - 12 Int - 13 Rate - 71.4

They are fairly comparable although Luck's yardage certainly sets him apart. He does average 6 more attempts per game than Weeden and 11 more than Sanchez.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Luck - Comp% - 55.5 Yds - 3,596 TD - 17 Int - 16 Rate - 76.1
Weeden - Comp% - 57.0 Yds - 2,820 TD - 13 Int - 15 Rate - 72.3
Sanchez - Comp% - 55.0 Yds -- 2,436 TD - 12 Int - 13 Rate - 71.4

They are fairly comparable although Luck's yardage certainly sets him apart. He does average 6 more attempts per game than Weeden and 11 more than Sanchez.

He's better than them in nearly every stat...and he is 8-4. Damn...are we that desperate for our guy to be miles ahead of theirs???

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

*head explodes in disbelief*

I'm pretty sure no one who watches any kind of sports would even partly agree with that nonsense you just spewed man...

You are comparing him to freakin Weeden and Sanchez??!

Weeden has 12 TDs and 13 INTs. Take out the Eagles debacle and it's 12 TDs and 9 INTs. Weeden has played rather well for a rookie, and that situation is a disaster in Cleveland - Holmgren's gone, Shurmur is probably gone.

Mark Sanchez is a bit of an unfair comparison seeing he was even more of a turnover machine, but Sanchez also won 11 games and played well in the playoffs.

Luck gets good passing numbers because he throws the ball a TON. But his actual production isn't very impressive, compared to the ALL HE DOES IS WIN hype he gets from ESPN and the average football fan.

Also, let's face it, there's racism at work in this debate. Yes, I'm playing that card, because it is THERE, even if the average NFL fan doesn't realize it or doesn't want to admit it. Every time you see a comment like "RGIII is running a simple gimmick offense while Luck is running an advanced NFL offense" (even the reality is almost the opposite lol, Luck just chucks it downfield for the most part and has the WRs make plays on the ball), there is an overwhelming racial subtext to it - that RGIII, the black quarterback, is not as smart as Luck, the white quarterback.

He's better than them in nearly every stat...and he is 8-4.

Luck has better passing stats because he throws the ball a LOT.

I'll be watching the games against Houston very closely - maybe a couple 40 point blowouts will make people realize how much of a fraud these Colts are.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

and you forgot his 5 rushing TDs...

[U C S D SkinsFan]

For anyone who hasn't watched Luck's games don't know the whole story. He makes rookie mistakes by forcing the throw sometimes, but I can just tell he is going to be a top 5 QB in this league soon. He makes some insane throws, he's mobile as hell, and clutch...having said that, I'm glad we have RG3

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

yeah, I'm out of this debate. Yall got it.

God, how did the race card come out of this?

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

yeah, I'm out of this debate. Yall got it.

God, how did the race card come out of this?

Have you paid any attention to the debate on these two quarterbacks? The anti-RGIII arguments couldn't get more racist if they were being spewed by a guy in a white hood. The entire argument is "RGIII is an athletic dumb ****** who's too dumb to run an NFL offense or read defenses". That's the argument. His stats, his production, everything is framed through "RGIII is an athletic dumb ****** running a college offense". When RGIII throws 4 touchdowns, they spew how open the WRs are, ignoring how he reads the defense and buys time and makes an accurate throw. When RGIII makes an amazing throw to a double-covered Moss, they act like he just threw it up for grabs as opposed to him having monster ball placement. When his WRs drop 13 passes, they immediately scream that he's been figured out. RGIII does not get the benefit of the doubt other young QBs get because he's black and athletic and the coaches are more creative than most.

I mean, ****, Sam Bradford didn't get this much criticism when he dinked and dunked his way to 7-9, and when his team went to **** next year they didn't blame him, the way they rip Cam Newton for not being able to win a lot of games with a terrible team and a crumbling organization.

The race card is absolutely appropriate, for both RGIII and Cam; what else explains the ridiculous double and triple standards surrounding them?

[windsofcreation]

He's better than them in nearly every stat...and he is 8-4. Damn...are we that desperate for our guy to be miles ahead of theirs???

I don't claim to have the same view as The Robert Griffin Experience but I just wanted to back up his claim to some degree so it doesn't seem as though his comparison was too far fetched because I don't believe it really was.

There is no denying that Luck has outplayed those two guys and if he could just cut down on the turnovers, the comparison could indeed be laughable but vs. better football teams those interceptions result in loses. The Colts have been able to overcome those mistakes on a consistent basis and Luck is certainly tough-minded to be able to bounce back from those mistakes and persevere. It's obvious he's a tremendous competitor and there is a lot to be said for that.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Have you paid any attention to the debate on these two quarterbacks? The anti-RGIII arguments couldn't get more racist if they were being spewed by a guy in a white hood. The entire argument is "RGIII is an athletic dumb ****** who's too dumb to run an NFL offense or read defenses". That's the argument. His stats, his production, everything is framed through "RGIII is an athletic dumb ****** running a college offense".

I understand where you're trying to go but the OVERWHELMING prevailing thought is that he is smart as ****. Not to mention that is approval rating is probably higher than Luck's nationwide. You act like RGIII isn't praised 24/7 and 365 on every sports show every day...even more than Luck

There is no race thing. It's the media and stupid ppl in general trying to create so faux-rivalry BS.

They are both elite. RIGHT NOW. Yes, RGIII is better IMO but you all are selling Luck short like he didn't just lead his team to walk off win on the road

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Luck is on pace for 22-23 INTs, and furthermore, except for today, all his INTs come against good teams.

He might be elite later. He might be elite next season, Peyton was a TO machine year 1 and he had more around him. But he is definitely not elite RIGHT now.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

Right now Luck is #18 in DVOA. RGIII is 8th.

[bedlamVR]

Dude, please. They were 2-14. They were every bit as bad as their record. They were awful. That's why every analyst after the draft was saying that Griffin was going to a better situation. We had the 13th ranked D last year, plus we had better weapons on offense. Reggie Wayne was pretty much the only good offensive player Luck inherited. And, btw, Wayne was terrible last year without Peyton. So Luck should get a lot of credit for the season Wayne is having.

And does it really matter if the Colts' wins this year were in dominating fashion? Again, they were 2-14 last year. They are 8-4 right now. That's astounding. And it's because of one guy...Luck. Give the man credit.

And you don't have a good argument when you are saying Green Bay isn't a good win. Come on. The Packers went 15-1 last year lol. And he led them from behind in that game, too, btw. He has more 4th quarter or OT wins this year than ANY qb, if I'm not mistaken. And it matters not how many points they score. The object is to win the game. They went from picking #1 in the draft to currently in a wildcard spot.

And I'm not making him out to be a savior, HE is making himself out to be a savior.

Why do you and others feel the need to knock down Luck? He and Griffin are BOTH having amazing rookie seasons. You don't lose any fan points for giving Luck the credit he so much deserves.

If only there was as much respect for our players by our own fans . You have watched the colts this season right ? Last nights game for example - I am not bashing Luck to make RGIII look better - I wanted to watch a game last night and I thought I would watch the Colts - as I did last week when they played the Bills and I came away as an impartial observer - well unimpressed .

Luck is doing a lot - he has fantasitic numbers, he is in the top 10 for passing attempts and he is in the bottom 10 in terms of interceptions . Luck is being asked to do a lot - but then when you see problems in his game - you think maybe the Colts should try running more than 38% of the time .

Luck doesn't seem to be reading NFL defenses too well - he had 3 interceptions last night but that could have been easily 5 or even 6 because he made bad read after bad read, forcing the ball into bad situations, and throwing off-balance, throwing on his front foot for example when he had no reason too . On the 4th Q scoring plays, he locked onto Brazil for example from the snap - and the reason he had to extend the play is rather than going to the open guy he wanted to go to Brazil and worked out, but he did not even look to the other side of the field . And the final score to Avery was very very close to an illegal forward pass that traveled maybe 24 inches in the air - And also this is the thing I do not get about him . He the size and speed of Cam Newton (he had almost identical measurements at the combine - and ESPN QBR declares him the better (more effective runner than Griffin) - yet when he does run he seems ungainly doing so - he doesn't look to have any confidence in his running ability ..

He has so many come from behind games, and apparently is "clutch" - but you have to question why he is having to come from behind so often - Again I point to the fact that Luck is being asked to do so much - but he is also digging his team into those massive holes in the first place . Is it "clutch" to make up for mistakes that you make ? . The Colts defense - is not to blame when the offense consistently gives the other team the short field through ill timed turnovers .

America seems to be obsessed with the come from behind win, but I was more impressed (and I do declare a bias here because I am a Redskins fan) with Griffin in the Dallas game in the face of the Dallas second half comeback to make the plays that lead to the lead extending FG . Yet that would not show up in the QBR - or highlight real .. a last second desperation shovel pass will .

Having watched the Colts and the Redskins - I have to say the QB for the Redskins is a more important part of our 5 wins compared to Luck - If we had Luck over Griffin we would have maybe 3 wins . The Colts are just a more rounded offense - Wayne had a down season but he is now No.1. in receptions and No.2 in yards in the NFL . In contrast Moss our leading receiver is around 50th in the league in terms of yards .

You claim Luck is making Wayne - Is that also not the same as saying Moss sucks because Griffin is making him suck? - you are going way out your way to praise Luck - who is having issues with accuracy and ball security (again he was less than 50% completion last night and lost the ball 4 times - the fumble he was luck to recover) . Luck is having a good season for a rookie, but statistically so are Weadon, Tanehill and Wilson - but lets not pretend he is the Colts only savior - they have some other impressive rookies for example not least Jerrell Freeman, and T Y Hilton - they are running with emotion (with the HC health situation), with a team stung by a terrible year out of nearly a decade of 10+ win seasons (sure they had a lot of turn over but leaders still on their roster), and they are playing a cup cake of a season >50% winning record of their opponents ...

I have no doubt Luck will be a good QB - because he is one right now - but he has shown very little growth from when he was at collage . Maybe that is because he was so good at collage that there is not a great deal to improve on but comparing Luck with other QBs from the same class and he does not really stand out ..

[FSUSkins24]

Obviously not a contender, but that rookie RB in Philly is looking damn, damn, damn good so far. Really explosive and shifty.

Bryce Brown is looking to be a monster. I believe he was the number 1 running back coming out of high school. Kinda cool to see him pick up where he was in high school after a lot of unusual things happened in college for him.

Damn it, I hate that he's an eagle.

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Also, let's face it, there's racism at work in this debate. Yes, I'm playing that card, because it is THERE, even if the average NFL fan doesn't realize it or doesn't want to admit it. Every time you see a comment like "RGIII is running a simple gimmick offense while Luck is running an advanced NFL offense" (even the reality is almost the opposite lol, Luck just chucks it downfield for the most part and has the WRs make plays on the ball), there is an overwhelming racial subtext to it - that RGIII, the black quarterback, is not as smart as Luck, the white quarterback.

While some people might look at that and scoff at it, you are 100% correct. We were lectured on racism in the media in my graduate level Sport Media class. It's definitely there. Whether people want to believe it or not.

[Bubble Screen]

For anyone who hasn't watched Luck's games don't know the whole story. He makes rookie mistakes by forcing the throw sometimes, but I can just tell he is going to be a top 5 QB in this league soon. He makes some insane throws, he's mobile as hell, and clutch...having said that, I'm glad we have RG3

You can tell most people in this thread don't watch Luck play. I mean, it's so obvious its not funny. They keep saying he throws the ball a lot, which he does. However, they don't realize he has NO ONE at running back of any substance. Vick Ballard has come on a little. Donald Brown is ok. But neither of those guys are on Morris' level. If RG3 didn't have a running game to lean on, guess what, he'd be throwing it a lot more himself.

Also, people keep harping on the turnovers. However, they totally dismiss the fact that, despite the turnovers, he has led his team to an 8-4 record. And he has three 4th quarter comebacks, including the Green Bay Packers.

And the whole Luck hasn't played anyone is kind of a ridiculous point. You play who's on your schedule. The reason his schedule is easier than ours is because he inherited a 2-14 team! That negates the fact that we have a harder schedule. He inherited a worse team.

One other point: Cam had 17 INT and around 10 fumbles lost. Yet he had the greatest rookie season ever. He only led the Panthers to a 6-10 record. Luck has 8 wins, with two more very winnable games left.

One last thing...was watching NFL Network earlier. A few of the guys on there (Hall of Famers) were saying that Luck should be a candidate for MVP. Not saying I agree with them (right now it has to be Peyton or Brady), but that speaks volumes.

[CoolHandLuke]

I'm rooting for RG3 & Luck as runner up! They are both so different, yet talented it's awesome! These guys are going to meet each other in the SB so many times in the next few years and I can't wait for that moment! But, when it comes to measuring two of the best, I'd give the edge to Robert in a heartbeat (homerism aside). He has more than proved the naysayers wrong in every category, and can handle the awards without his ego getting in the way. This is an experienced winner we have that won't be distracted by BS over hyped press!

[MusicCitySkin]

when did this board become a conspiracy theorist haven?

You honestly believe they cheated to get the 1st pick?

No, I said I think it was fishy. They knew Peyton wasn't coming back, so their solution to try and salvage the season was...Kerry Collins. Honestly, they would have been hard-pressed to make a worse choice. Of course he got IR'd, but then we found out from watching the Painter/Orlovsky carousel that it really doesn't mean squat playing behind Peyton Manning after all.

Does that really mean anything? No, but the Colts sure as hell weren't the worst team in football last year, and this year proves that, when their QB is turning the ball over as much as he's scoring, yet they're still 8-4. Teams can still win games with terrible QBs--and the fact that they managed to beat the Texans last year proves my point that they weren't without the capability to win games despite that. I think Jim Irsay is shady owner that likes to rub it in the faces of others that "he" got the new golden boy QB prospect. The whole thing stinks to me. If it were an honest game, the Cleveland Browns would have Andrew Luck right now.

I can't prove any wrongdoing took place, but nor can anyone prove there didn't. So I have an opinion, which I'm not trying to pass off as fact in the slightest. Ease up on the generalizations.

Dude Cam Newton was amazing last year as a rookie, had the best rookie season a QB has ever had. But he turned the ball over at an alarming rate. But the difference between Luck and Cam was that Luck is clutch when it matters most. Cam had very few comeback wins last year, if any.

It's a credit to Luck that he is able to overcome all the turnovers and still win games.

Btw, what are these "shady dealings" you speak of? The Colts were getting critiqued late last year for NOT tanking games. I remember guys that cover the NFL saying they were crazy for beating the Texans late in the season. And I think they nearly won their last game, too. They were not tanking games. You don't beat the Texans last year if you were tanking. That's one of the silliest arguments I've heard yet.

It's funny that you're acting like it's some oddball, radical idea that the Colts may have tanked last season. I'm sure at one point it was crazy to think Bill Belichick was cheating to gain an upper hand too, but we all saw how that turned out. Several people, including analysts, brought up suspicion that they were tanking. There's no need to pin it on me simply because I wouldn't put it past Irsay and his boys to stoop to that level. I always go back to those two words...Kerry Collins.

By the way, I think Luck is having an awesome year, and he's most likely going to win OROY with these clutch wins and a likely playoff berth. However, all I'm saying is that he's not doing it alone because the Colts weren't that bad to start, and they've also had the benefit of an easy schedule.