RGIII is the 2012 Rookie of The Year! The Official RGIII Rookie of The Year Watch Thread

[bedlamVR]

It's not racial at all. It comes down to W/L records and stats. Right now RGIII is, for the most part, putting up better stats, but Luck has more wins.

I think most would agree that RGIII is having the better season at this point, but the fact that Luck has the worst team in football last year sniffing a playoff berth is, in fact, newsworthy. Folks don't need to start calling race. Really.

I think this is where you are wrong . Outside the DC bubble not many people are thinking RGIII is having a better season (he is a sideshow- a gimick that will soon be yesterdays news) , well those in the media - People think Luck is rocking it every week, week in week out and carrying not just the offense on his shoulders but the entire Colts organisation on his massive shoulders ...

But it is simply not true . The Colts were a team that the players had given up on the coaches or the coaches had given up on the players ... one of the two and they slunk low and underachieved ...

... . They did clean house in the offseason but there are an awful lot of blocks left over from the previous admin - the admin that went 10-6, 14-2, 12-4 .... To say Luck is winning the games for the Colts is kind of insulting to anyone else who plays for them . But thats the message .

The thing is I can see if the Colts had Wilson and the Seahawks had Luck I can see they would have very similar seasons to what they have now . If we had Luck or Wilson I think we would not be in the NFCE celler as the Eagles have sunk that low - but no one would be thinking playoffs . we would be at least 1 maybe 2-3 games back from where we are .

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Outside the DC bubble not many people are thinking RGIII is having a better season (he is a sideshow- a gimick that will soon be yesterdays news) , well those in the media - People think Luck is rocking it every week, week in week out and carrying not just the offense on his shoulders but the entire Colts organisation on his massive shoulders ...

I can't prove this, but I don't think that's the national perception of RGIII at all.

I think the national analysts basically acknowledge that we have 3 ridiculously good rookie QBs this year, along with another couple that might be considered promising if not for the first 3. Griffin, Luck, and Wilson have been playing out of their respective minds.

In my opinion...

Griffin has been the most consistent and is easily the most dangerous.
Luck is showing that he could be the next Manning type and play for 20 years.
Wilson seems to be the most clutch. I'm sure he has failed, but it seems that he always comes through with key plays late in games even if he hasn't played great to get to that point.

When you factor in Tannehill and Wheeden, I think it's a very promising rookie class.

[youngchew]

so if the excuse for Luck's completion percentage, int's and overall 70ish rating is he's thrown soo many more pass attempts, then why does he have a 1:1 td/int ratio?
the guy has thrown 100+ more pass attempts and has ONE more td to show for it?? and 3x as many int's?

not to mention that Luck is 2nd in the NFL in pass attempts, but 17th in TD passes.

[Boss_Hogg]

Good post TD_washingtonredskins. Each rookie QB brings something special and unique to his team.

[Saqs]

so if the excuse for Luck's completion percentage, int's and overall 70ish rating is he's thrown soo many more pass attempts, then why does he have a 1:1 td/int ratio?
the guy has thrown 100+ more pass attempts and has ONE more td to show for it?? and 3x as many int's?

That line of thinking seems faulty to me. If hes "airing it out" then he should have alot more td passes than RG3, and he doesn't. The only thing he's got more of is yards and interceptions.

All great points.

[illone]

Luck is an amazing player, and I loved watching him all through college, and now in the pros, but he is not playing at the same level as RG3.

In his defense they are two different types of players, and are being asked to do different things, so even comparing their numbers isn't really fair.

I think that BOTH guys deserve to win ROY, and it's unfortunate that they both were drafted in the same year because there is only one ROY. I won't be disappointed at all if Luck wins it, but I do thin Rg3 will win it if he keeps up his current level of play.

Regardless of who wins ROY, both teams have QBs they can be proud of.

[steve09ru]

Luck is going to be a great player but the year he is having is not what everyone is making it out to be
Some points I have heard:

"Luck has thrown more passes"

- you're right, over 100 more - if you take away 100 of his attempts/incompletions them his completion % is still below RG3's

"Luck is taking a 2-14 team to the playoffs"

- correct, but that 2-14 team was also a 12-4, 10-6, 14-2 team with Peyton Manning at QB - not to mention they had Curtis Painter starting for them...also, with Painter/Collins in at QB that 2-14 team was also in the game in the 4th quarter in 9 of those losses.

"Luck is only behind Matt Ryan for comeback wins"

- he's put his team in the hole in those games as well with a poor completion percentage and costly mistakes early. Did we praise Grossman on a 3 pick day if he drove us down for the win? No - we always said, we shouldn't have been in the situation....same with an NFL kicker. "our kicker is awesome! he's made 3 game winners" - ok but he also missed chip shots earlier in the game that would have not needed him to make the last kick. It works like this all the way around. Tony Romo makes a lot of great plays in the 4th quarter to lead comebacks but the mistakes he makes earlier in the games are what the critics hold against him.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

(he is a sideshow- a gimick that will soon be yesterdays news) ,

outside of opposing message boards, that view is not close to being prominent

RGIII is praised to high heaven in nearly every form of mass media

[KDawg]

I still think people are missing how great Russell Wilson has been. I've said, and I stick to, that Russell Wilson is currently my number two as far as rookie of the year voting goes (if I had one).

Anyone who pays attention to my posts (so, what, three of you? ) knows that I don't think players should be judged on statistics. However, the reality is that awards are often given to the player with the best statistics because no one wants to embrace any other way. So if I had to suggest who an award should go to based on stats (and leaving RG3 out of the equation) I'd have to say rookie of the year should be Wilson's, and not Luck's.

Russell Wilson has helped contribute to Seattle having a 7-5 record. The Colts have won one more game so far, but Seattle has done it with a tougher schedule (though, to be fair, a better surrounding cast, ESPECIALLY defensively).

Furthermore, statistically speaking, I think Wilson is ahead of Luck:

63% comp rate, 2344 yards, 19 TD, 8 INT, 7.4 YPA, 95.2 Rating, 66 carries, 298 yards

For comparison, here's Luck: 55.5%, 3596 yards, 17 TD, 16 INT, 7.1 YPA, 76.1 Rating, 44 carries, 219 yards, 5 TD

Luck is responsible for 3 more touchdowns, 8 more interceptions, has less yards per attempt and a much worse rating. That said, I also believe his supporting cast isn't as strong. These two have had statistically similar seasons, but I give the edge to Wilson for protecting the rock and not playing tenatively.

Now, do I think Wilson is going to be a better quarterback long term than Andrew Luck? Absolutely not. Do I think Andrew Luck is good now? No. I think he's tremendous now. But I don't think he's better than Wilson (statistically) at this juncture.

If you factor RG3 in, I don't believe there's even a reasonable case for Luck over him, as I don't believe Wilson has had a better year than RG3.

Luck will be a monster for years to come. He is already making an impact. I just don't think he's ROY.

[ADF]

I respect Peyton Manning immensely. He is without doubt one of the greatest to EVER play the game. While the Colts struggled mightily without him, I think the Colts record last season had more to do with who they chose to replace him. If the Colts had a competent QB on the roster last season then they would have won way more than two games. They weren't going to win as many as they would have with Manning but their record would have been way more respectable. In other words, if Matt Ryan would have gotten injured in preseason and is replaced with ME (who goes on to lead the Falcons to an 0-16 season) then I think our record would be more indicative of my ineptness than it would Ryan's greatness.

The Colts were clearly never going to be as good without an elite player like Peyton Manning last season. At the same time, I don't think they were really 2-14 bad either. That's why I'm not so amazed by the number of games they've won this season. They aren't a team that has been inept for most of the past 20 years.

[steve09ru]

I respect Peyton Manning immensely. He is without doubt one of the greatest to EVER play the game. While the Colts struggled mightily without him, I think the Colts record last season had more to do with who they chose to replace him. If the Colts had a competent QB on the roster last season then they would have won way more than two games. They weren't going to win as many as they would have with Manning but their record would have been way more respectable. In other words, if Matt Ryan would have gotten injured in preseason and is replaced with ME (who goes on to lead the Falcons to an 0-16 season) then I think our record would be more indicative of my ineptness than it would Ryan's greatness.

The Colts were clearly never going to be as good without an elite player like Peyton Manning last season. At the same time, I don't think they were really 2-14 bad either. That's why I'm not so amazed by the number of games they've won this season. They aren't a team that has been inept for most of the past 20 years.

Thank you! Couldn't have said it better myself - he did NOT inherit a 2-14 team

[Bacon]

Andrew Luck is a terrific quarterback.

RG3 is Superman.

Once the wins start piling up in Washington, the debate will be thrown out.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Andrew Luck is a terrific quarterback.

RG3 is Superman.

Once the wins start piling up in Washington, the debate will be thrown out.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's debated for the next 10-15 years. I hope it is!

[deejaydana]

That ending to yesterday's Colts/Lions scrum was a blast to watch. For the life of me I don't know why Detroit went ultra-conservative on that last possesion but heck, they seem to always fold when it counts. Luck already looks like he's been in the league 5 years. And his attitude is first rate. ...And I still like our guy better.

[Park City Skins]

You could probably spend days,(probably),debating back and forth between Andrew and Robert and the rookie of the year and find good points for both when it's all said and done. Not surprising to anyone I don't think. Just had to know,(as much as we can anyway),both young men were going to be stellar this season. Though I will say I didn't expect them to be this lights out. Obviously I'll take our guy any day for the R.O.Y..