RGIII is the 2012 Rookie of The Year! The Official RGIII Rookie of The Year Watch Thread

[mistertim]

The Colts forum is pretty funny. Most of them are just taking it for granted that Luck will win ROY and they've moved on from that to talking about him as a potential MVP candidate, mostly sparked by that article from Adam Schein.

"ROY obviously, but I'm not sure he has played well enough to get MVP" Stuff like this all over.

[Spaceman Spiff]

RG3's throws with one leg were ridiculous.

He deserves ROY even if he misses a game. Andrew Luck will be lucky to have more TD's than picks and a completion percentage above 55%.

Said it before, I'll say it again....Luck is playing for a team that had 10 wins over two seasons ago. He gets to throw to a HoF receiver. The notion that he's doing this by himself is completely laughable.

[DogofWar1]

The Colts forum is pretty funny. Most of them are just taking it for granted that Luck will win ROY and they've moved on from that to talking about him as a potential MVP candidate, mostly sparked by that article from Adam Schein.

"ROY obviously, but I'm not sure he has played well enough to get MVP" Stuff like this all over.

The thing that gets me is that the ONLY thing Colts fans hang their hat on anymore is wins.

They don't even try on stats anymore. They make arguments like "Luck is asked to do more," but they have nothing concrete to back it up, and when you show them evidence that Luck is failing at simple things like taking the checkdown vs. throwing into double/triple coverage, they sort of get quiet.

What I really want to see is us win out to 10-6, and the Colts lose both their Houston games and end up 10-6. I want to see the arguments they try and make when both our teams are 10-6, and RGIII has vastly superior numbers.

They'll probably harp on that, "We were 2-14 last year" line, which is more or less BS, but mainly they are hanging their hat on being 2 games ahead of us right now.

Anyways, at the end of the year, RGIII will almost certainly win it, unless Wilson does, and all the Luck fans will transfer their arguments to the long term saying stuff like "RGIII might win awards now, but Luck will be better in the long run because (insert argument here about injuries, pocket passing, etc. etc.)."

[Boss_Hogg]

The Colts forum is pretty funny. Most of them are just taking it for granted that Luck will win ROY and they've moved on from that to talking about him as a potential MVP candidate, mostly sparked by that article from Adam Schein.

"ROY obviously, but I'm not sure he has played well enough to get MVP" Stuff like this all over.

Adam Schein is a notorious Redskins hater. It's no wonder he would anoint Butthead ROY.

[s0crates]

Adam Schein is a notorious Redskins hater. It's no wonder he would anoint Butthead ROY.

I really don't feel the need to attack Luck.

I give Luck a lot of credit to come in as a rookie and being asked to throw the ball 40 times a game and finding ways to win games every week. It looks like the Colts plan to tank last season and get their second consecutive franchise QB worked. I do not think Luck has magically turned the "lowly Colts" into a contender though, I think they tanked it once Manning went down in 2011. Like I said though, give Luck all the credit he is due for filling Manning's big shoes in his rookie season. It is pretty impressive.

Don't get me wrong though, we have our franchise quarterback as well (after 20 or so tries), and I think we got the better guy. The rushing numbers are huge, but that is not what separates Luck and Griffin the most in my opinion. What really impresses me is RG3 avoiding turnovers. The biggest difference between this year's team and last year's team is the turnover margin, and RG3 fairly obviously gets most of the credit for that. The only player in the league with fewer turnovers than Griffin is named Tom Brady. Meanwhile, Luck has more turnovers than touchdowns.

Both players get a lot of credit for turning their team's around, but I think you have to give Griffin the edge if the ROY race is between those two, although I think Russell Wilson has obviously entered the race as well.

Speaking of Wilson, it just goes to show you don't have to be 6'3" to play quarterback (not sure why anybody ever thought that anyway, Seattle got a steal b/c of such idiocy). I actually think Wilson is outplaying Luck too. So I have them ranked Griffin first, Wilson second, and Luck third right now, but I would again stress that I think all three are great players with great careers ahead of them.

The only downside to having this influx of QB talent into the NFL is that the outstanding rookie running backs (Doug Martin, Trent Richardson, and our own Alfred Morris) are getting left out of this conversation. It looks like ROY has to go to one of those three quarterbacks though.

[Laron Burgundy]

All credit to Wilson, but his situation was a lot more favorable than Luck's or Griffin's. He's been amazing at times, but that Seattle team doesn't require that he puts up points. Seattle could have won 6 games this year with 14 points or less. That is insane. In comparison skins have had 1 game with less than 14 points scored against them. They've had 10 games with 20 or fewer points scored against them. We have had 2. If Wilson was drafted by Cleveland I really doubt he would be having the same success he's having in Seattle.

[Barefoot Kicker]

The stat box in the OP has been updated.

Some News and Notes:

-RGIII has the highest rating of all NFL QBs
-Wilson leads all Rookie QBs with 20 TDs
-Luck's QBR has dropped significantly
-Luck has turned the ball over 23 times

Don't discount RG3's 6 rushing TDs! Wilson, I think has none, which is amazing. Also Luck has 5. So, RG3 has 24TDs, Luck has 23TDs and Wilson has 20TDs.

---------- Post added December-10th-2012 at 11:08 PM ----------

also, Luck benefits as much, if not more than any of the 3 with his WRs getting lots of YAC.

Colts
Wayne is 26th in the league in YAC
Hilton is 54th in YAC
Allen is 62nd in YAC
Avery is 89th in YAC

Redskins
Garcon is 66th in YAC
Morgan is 95th in YAC
Moss is 99th in YAC

Seahawks
Tate is 97th in YAC
Lynch is 112th in YAC

---------- Post added December-10th-2012 at 11:13 PM ----------

well actually, the Wash Post has Luck 17 and Griffin 18 in YAC and it's closer than I thought.
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/l...ange=&rank=230

but looks like Luck has better go-to guys whereas RG3 has to find more options to throw to.

[PerryMason]

Since...

Alfred Morris has 1228 not 1128. Just wanted to make sure that was fixed.

[Boss_Hogg]

Ill take care of it tommorow.

Thanks for the correction.

[acuratl1984]

Not sure if this has already been posted in here, didnt go through all the pages.

I loved this commercial when I first saw it. And it kinda reminds me of Luck vs RG3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ9fi3UkNbg

[MartinC]

RGiII, Luck and Wilson would all be worthy ROYs. Heck in a normal year Doug Martin and Albert Morris would be really strong candidates. No need to run the other candidates down its been a great rookie year and we have two of them!

I think if RGIII misses time it will hurt his chances right or wrong - but frankly while it would be nice what's important is we have a great QB who with luck on injuries will be here winning games and hopefully championships for a long time.

[terrifNick21]

RG3's throws with one leg were ridiculous.

He deserves ROY even if he misses a game. Andrew Luck will be lucky to have more TD's than picks and a completion percentage above 55%.

Said it before, I'll say it again....Luck is playing for a team that had 10 wins over two seasons ago. He gets to throw to a HoF receiver. The notion that he's doing this by himself is completely laughable.

[Boss_Hogg]

Stat box in the OP has been updated.

Special thanks to Perry Mason

[HTTRDynasty]

[steve09ru]

also, Luck benefits as much, if not more than any of the 3 with his WRs getting lots of YAC.

Colts
Wayne is 26th in the league in YAC
Hilton is 54th in YAC
Allen is 62nd in YAC
Avery is 89th in YAC

Redskins
Garcon is 66th in YAC
Morgan is 95th in YAC
Moss is 99th in YAC

Seahawks
Tate is 97th in YAC
Lynch is 112th in YAC

---------- Post added December-10th-2012 at 11:13 PM ----------

well actually, the Wash Post has Luck 17 and Griffin 18 in YAC and it's closer than I thought.
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/l...ange=&rank=230

but looks like Luck has better go-to guys whereas RG3 has to find more options to throw to.

All of that contradicts itself - RG3 actually has one of the higher YAC average. Mainly because of the accuracy and receivers speed.

Many Colts/Luck fans always throw in the YAC as a knock on RG3 but fail to realize that the reasoning is because of the placement of those passes