RGIII is the 2012 Rookie of The Year! The Official RGIII Rookie of The Year Watch Thread

[x96bryan10]

I don't understand how everyone says that luck inherited a " bad team". He inherited a perrinial playoff contender who had lost their starting QB for one season and had atrocious play from their back up. Losing your qb can throw your team into a pitfall just see the 2011 Bears or 2012 Eagles.
There team was never gutted. They allowed some players to go in free agency and added others. Garçon was the only player of note to leave during free agency.

[TheGreek1973]

i don't understand why do we care. They got their QB we got ours case closed. Now for the ROTY award I just don't understand looking at the stats you can say Luck is in the conversation and if wins is one of the cretiria then why isn't Willson in the coversation.

Bottom line RGIII continues playing the way he has I just don't see how he can lose this award. As I have stated if he plays any where near he has in the last 2 games in particular the final 5 games, he not only has the ROTY award locked up, he should be seriously considered for MVP

[KDawg]

What I find most humorous about the Luck/RG3 debates is that Wilson's name often gets left out of the conversation.

Screw the numbers, they aren't a great indicator. Watch the games. All three have poise that rookies aren't usually known to have. All three are succeeding within the systems that they are expected to run. I think all three teams got really good quarterbacks and the three are all going to have good careers.

[bedlamVR]

You can tell most people in this thread don't watch Luck play. I mean, it's so obvious its not funny. They keep saying he throws the ball a lot, which he does. However, they don't realize he has NO ONE at running back of any substance. Vick Ballard has come on a little. Donald Brown is ok. But neither of those guys are on Morris' level. If RG3 didn't have a running game to lean on, guess what, he'd be throwing it a lot more himself.

There is a counter argument that RGIII's game sets up the run better than Luck . There are many games where the run game of Morris has been stalling and then a big run by Griffin on a read zone option play and boom the Morris game gets a kickstart because they are not sure if he or Griffin has the ball and the defense stutter steps - peeking in the back field to make sure they go after the right guy . - I meen Morris does have his own skills and he is a tremendous runner but Griffin can help in the pass and run game .

This is where the Luck falls down for me . HE has the ability to make the runs but seems reluctant to make the run down the middle of the field . And when he does he doesnt slide - he takes the contact head on . And he is praised for it . RGIII was getting so much heat for not sliding but still making those same plays . At the time it was RGIII is too dumb to slide - but Luck not sliding - well he is a real mans man ...

And I have said Luck throws - a lot - but I have no issue with him throwing a lot - What I take issue with is the kinds of throws he makes . For instance in the Bills game he threw a lot of quesionalble balls - the Colts won - but they won mostly down to a special teams play which was essentially the difference between the two teams - that and Fitzpatrick looked nothing like an NFL QB . In the Patriots game he threw balls that were picked off and lead to the Pats stomping them - It was not the run away Patriot offense that killed the Colts on that day it was the constant throwing to the wrong team that did for them .. same with the Jets - and it should have been the same on Sunday - and the Lions should have been able to put the Colts away had they done anything with the turnovers Luck gave them (or the ones that got away) but they have their own issues .

I get that given how much Luck throws then his accuracy % will be less than someone like Griffin who is more efficient - but - and take the back shoulder TD pass to Moss against Dallas - That ball from Griffin simply could not have been placed any better - it was low and short almost directly into Moss's hip pocket . The only person catching that was Santana - I just have not seen that type of touch or that type of throw from Luck and I have been watching him .

Luck has a tendency to throw high and shifts his weight totally to his front foot on intermediate throws which can lead to the ball sailing and gives oportunities for DB to make plays on the ball . But more worryingly and I have said this before - he was doing that in game 1 - You can see how RGIIIs communication and ball placement has changed over the season . Luck for all his smarts has not changed at all .

[Sticksboi05]

The RGIII effect is awesome. Literally, even up here in Boston, every time I go out on the weekend I get people yelling "RGIII!" Occasionally a chant begins as well. Hoping for a W tonight.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

>muh 8-4 record

This is the Tim Tebow argument. QB plays average or worse, yet the team wins. So the QB is awesome, regardless of his actual performance.

Hey, let's replace the Steelers, Falcons, and Bengals (who are probably the 3 best teams we've faced to date) with the Titans, Jaguars, and Bills. I bet RGIII would be sitting at 8-3 right now too. 10-1 if he had a defense.

[Taylor703]

Dude, please. They were 2-14. They were every bit as bad as their record. They were awful. That's why every analyst after the draft was saying that Griffin was going to a better situation. We had the 13th ranked D last year, plus we had better weapons on offense. Reggie Wayne was pretty much the only good offensive player Luck inherited. And, btw, Wayne was terrible last year without Peyton. So Luck should get a lot of credit for the season Wayne is having.

And does it really matter if the Colts' wins this year were in dominating fashion? Again, they were 2-14 last year. They are 8-4 right now. That's astounding. And it's because of one guy...Luck. Give the man credit.

And you don't have a good argument when you are saying Green Bay isn't a good win. Come on. The Packers went 15-1 last year lol. And he led them from behind in that game, too, btw. He has more 4th quarter or OT wins this year than ANY qb, if I'm not mistaken. And it matters not how many points they score. The object is to win the game. They went from picking #1 in the draft to currently in a wildcard spot.

And I'm not making him out to be a savior, HE is making himself out to be a savior.

Why do you and others feel the need to knock down Luck? He and Griffin are BOTH having amazing rookie seasons. You don't lose any fan points for giving Luck the credit he so much deserves.

So 75 catches, 960 yards and 4 TD is terrible? Especially when you consider he had Collins, Painter and Orlovsky throwing him the ball.

[skinsforlife101]

Boy Mike Shanny should show todays Mike and Mike to RG III before tonights game for motivation. Greeny: "Luck is the best rookie QB ever

[Sticksboi05]

Boy Mike Shanny should show todays Mike and Mike to RG III before tonights game for motivation. Greeny: "Luck is the best rookie QB ever

Who cares what he says, he's an idiot. What, he leads a comeback against aj oke Lions team while throwing 3 INTs and he's a God? Please. Luck's great, but people obsess over wins and those are team accomplishments.

[Sticksboi05]

Greenberg said earlier that the skins have an "excellent defense".

[MLSKINS]

Luck is a beast, I can't deny it. If the stats are close and Luck has more wins he should get the award.

FWIW,
Colts Combine Records of opponents played so far::62-82

Redskins Opponents, including the Giants tonight:73-68-1 (2 games missing because of Giants)

---------- Post added December-3rd-2012 at 09:41 AM ----------

Greenberg said earlier that the skins have an "excellent defense".

You can tell he is talking out his arse....

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

If RGIII had gone 4 TDs, 3 Ints, sub 50% completion percentage, or thrown 3 picks against the Bears, would he get any pass whatsoever? Considering how being the most dominant rookie QB ever is being ripped apart by "casual football fans" for "throwing too many short passes" (like Tom Brady and Matt Ryan) and being a scrambling QB that's not a pocket passer or only good in the pistol or crap like that.

Luck is good for the low, low standards for rookie QBs. But he's average at best right now. He'll probably become better, I don't see why he wouldn't. But if you actually watch the two play, the comparison is laughable. That's why I think there's a strong racial subtext involved in this debate - because the underlying assumption is that an athletic black QB is not smart/patient/poised/etc enough to be a pocket passer.

[MLSKINS]

If RGIII had gone 4 TDs, 3 Ints, sub 50% completion percentage, or thrown 3 picks against the Bears, would he get any pass whatsoever? Considering how being the most dominant rookie QB ever is being ripped apart by "casual football fans" for "throwing too many short passes" (like Tom Brady and Matt Ryan) and being a scrambling QB that's not a pocket passer or only good in the pistol or crap like that.

Luck is good for the low, low standards for rookie QBs. But he's average at best right now. He'll probably become better, I don't see why he wouldn't. But if you actually watch the two play, the comparison is laughable. That's why I think there's a strong racial subtext involved in this debate - because the underlying assumption is that an athletic black QB is not smart/patient/poised/etc enough to be a pocket passer.

I am not saying you're wrong, because it could be true, I don't know. However, I think that if we had more wins than the Colts, this wouldn't even be a debate.

[Boss_Hogg]

Stats updated in the OP.

Some News and Notes:

Luck has the worst completion percentage out of all rookie QBs
Luck's QBR dropped 5 points
Doug Martin has slowed down since the Raiders game
Russell Wilson leads ALL Rookie QBs in TDs

[zoony]

If RGIII had gone 4 TDs, 3 Ints, sub 50% completion percentage, or thrown 3 picks against the Bears, would he get any pass whatsoever? Considering how being the most dominant rookie QB ever is being ripped apart by "casual football fans" for "throwing too many short passes" (like Tom Brady and Matt Ryan) and being a scrambling QB that's not a pocket passer or only good in the pistol or crap like that.

Luck is good for the low, low standards for rookie QBs. But he's average at best right now. He'll probably become better, I don't see why he wouldn't. But if you actually watch the two play, the comparison is laughable. That's why I think there's a strong racial subtext involved in this debate - because the underlying assumption is that an athletic black QB is not smart/patient/poised/etc enough to be a pocket passer.

It's not racial at all. It comes down to W/L records and stats. Right now RGIII is, for the most part, putting up better stats, but Luck has more wins.

I think most would agree that RGIII is having the better season at this point, but the fact that Luck has the worst team in football last year sniffing a playoff berth is, in fact, newsworthy. Folks don't need to start calling race. Really.