Was what Jacoby Jones said to Michelle Tafoya out of line?

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Referring to someone as a beast in the context of the game and directly calling someone gorgeous and winking at them are not the same thing. The equivalent would be Erin Andrews opening an interview with Watt by saying "hey there sexy" and giving a raise of the eyebrows.

And to be fair, reporters ARE held to a higher professional standard than players.

I don't mean a beast based on a sack or play on the field. I mean if they look at a dude who's jacked and call him a beast or a monster.

[MLSKINS]

Well, hittable and gorgeous fall into two distinctly different categories, no?

I think I have to start another thread

[Mr. Sinister]

I think I have to start another thread

Honestly, I normally separate beautiful, cute, and sexy into different categories. And I think that for a women her age (probably late 40's/early 50's) Tafoya looks good.

[renaissance]

I don't mean a beast based on a sack or play on the field. I mean if they look at a dude who's jacked and call him a beast or a monster.

Again, it's in the context of them being an athlete. Like when Chris Collinsworth was salivating over Miles Austin's leg muscles, that's in the context of the game.

And if you don't see the difference between that and referring to a woman as gorgeous and winking at her then I don't know what to say.

[MLSKINS]

Honestly, I normally separate beautiful, cute, and sexy into different categories. And I think that for a women her age (probably late 40's/early 50's) Tafoya looks good.

I was just toking, but I think I really should start another thread.

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Again, it's in the context of them being an athlete. Like when Chris Collinsworth was salivating over Miles Austin's leg muscles, that's in the context of the game.

Can I talk about a woman's thighs while she is doing a long jump?

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Again, it's in the context of them being an athlete. Like when Chris Collinsworth was salivating over Miles Austin's leg muscles, that's in the context of the game.

And if you don't see the difference between that and referring to a woman as gorgeous and winking at her then I don't know what to say.

So, if I play a sport for a willing I am implicitly subjecting myself to be commented on and evaluated for my appearance. However, if I pick a profession that requires me to be on TV, I'm not?

[greenspandan]

Erin Andrews and Stuart Scott occupy the same position (give or take since I don't know exactly what their roles are at ESPN). I don't think one of them should play by different rules than the other. Dogs? Really...I'm sure the women you're defending will love that one.

either respond to my points or don't, but intentionally missing and misconstruing my points only degrades the quality of discourse.

[renaissance]

Can I talk about a woman's thighs while she is doing a long jump?

So, if I play a sport for a willing I am implicitly subjecting myself to be commented on and evaluated for my appearance. However, if I pick a profession that requires me to be on TV, I'm not?

Do you guys not see a difference between the examples you're giving and directly referring to someone as gorgeous in a conversation and winking at them?

[TD_washingtonredskins]

either respond to my points or don't, but intentionally missing and misconstruing my points only degrades the quality of discourse.

I thought I did. I don't agree that a man and woman in the same job in the same industry should have to play by different rules. That takes us further away from where we need to go, in my opinion. I also believe that comparing man vs. woman to man vs. dog is ridiculous and doesn't make your point any stronger at all.

[greenspandan]

Contrary to popular belief, women do like compliments.

I thought so too

If they don't want to be subjected to my advances, they should stop saying suggestive stuff to me all the time like "Hello" or "Can I take your order?"

I don't get women sometimes.

well let me clear it up for you guys. women who are at work or who are strangers to you are completely uninterested in your unsolicited opinions on their appearance. if they are a coworker or if they are waiting on you, they will most likely politely smile and react graciously, despite your rude and inappropriate behavior making them uncomfortable.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Do you guys not see a difference between the examples you're giving and directly referring to someone as gorgeous in a conversation and winking at them?

I think you're losing sight of the context of what actually happened in an attempt to continue making your point. Had Jones gone on about Tafoya and said something like "damn, you are gorgeous...sorry, what were you asking me?" then I think I'd have a problem with it. That would be much more similar to what Joe Namath did to Suzy Kolber and would have absolutely crossed the line.

The fact that he, for less than a second, spoke to a 50-year old woman the way we all talk to your friends' moms is fine with me. I find his use of the term "gorgeous" there no more offensive or inappropriate than Stuart Scott calling a player "homie" or "brotha" or something. It's casual, benign conversation.

[Botched]

well let me clear it up for you guys. women who are at work or who are strangers to you are completely uninterested in your unsolicited opinions on their appearance. if they are a coworker or if they are waiting on you, they will most likely politely smile and react graciously, despite your rude and inappropriate behavior making them uncomfortable.

My post was a joke. But for the record I think you're waaay over-thinking this whole thing.

[greenspandan]

I thought I did. I don't agree that a man and woman in the same job in the same industry should have to play by different rules. That takes us further away from where we need to go, in my opinion. I also believe that comparing man vs. woman to man vs. dog is ridiculous and doesn't make your point any stronger at all.

it shouldn't be such a difficult thing to grasp that women do not appreciate the near-constant reminders that they are always, no matter what they are doing, being evaluated as an object of desire by the person they're interacting with.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

it shouldn't be such a difficult thing to grasp that women do not appreciate the near-constant reminders that they are always, no matter what they are doing, being evaluated as an object of desire by the person they're interacting with.

Fine.

I think you and others are being ridiculously over-sensitive about this but I respect your opinion.

[MLSKINS]

Do you guys not see a difference between the examples you're giving and directly referring to someone as gorgeous in a conversation and winking at them?

You said Collinsworth was salivating over Austin's leg muscles during the game and that was in context.

If I talk about Allyson Felix's thighs when she does the long jump, would that be in context?