The Jay Cutler argument for sticking with Mike Shanahan

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Nailed it perfectly. You absolutely cannot fire Mike Shanahan, or if you must, you must hire someone running a similar offense, or promote Kyle to HC. No, Shanny will never nail every draft pick or build a #1 team on both sides of the ball. We'll probably never have an elite defense like what the Niners or Texans enjoy. But we can certainly build an absolutely unstoppable offense that can win a Super Bowl or two.

[Jumbo]

Gotta agree with Jumbo on this. But I think Oldfan is saying something different than you here. He's saying Snyder is at fault for hiring Mike in the first place. What you're saying is totally different and more of a relevant response to elk... I do agree that I'm scared of Snyder. After reading about the things he says and does from people close to him he freaks me out big time. And that's not from the anti-Snyder media.

Yeah, I get that, but Snyder-fear was peripheral to his main point as I took it (a reason to STICK with Shanahan--read what he wrote--he thinks Shanny should stay with RG3), and even so, his criticism component is consistent with what he's said from the beginning, and (as I pointed out) we will have half the fan base swinging wildly, back and forth, on the same angle given a win or a loss. I was responding to elk's emphasis of OF's Snyder comment.


Sooo....anyway....

[Jumbo]

Did I say "way out there"? Not even close kind sir!

I was just stating that I disagree with his opinion that Mike can not or is not willing to make this the #1 franchise in sports.

Oh, and I've been incredibly consistent throughout all of this on that as well.

Wasn't assigning that to you as much as a general tone I thought likely to continue (since it's OF and knowing the turf and seeing your and elk's replies--no slam intended).

[Oldfan]

Well, since your argument here OF is mainly based on speculation and opinion, I'm going to have to say I (as well as elk, I'm sure) are going to heavily disagree with you. If anything, Mike has shown he's totally willing and being patient enough to rebuild this team from the ground up with defined schemes...

My argument has nothing to do with whether or not Mike Shanahan is willing or able to build a team that be number one in the NFL. I wrote my opinion on that so that readers would understand where I'm coming from.

We can disagree on that with no effect whatsoever on the argument in the OP.

In summary---

Rg3 is a better talent than Cutler;

Mike handled Cutler well in Denver;

Cutler's talent was wasted after he left Denver;

Mike Shanahan is unlike to screw up RG3's career;

Therefore, we should stick with him.

[thesubmittedone]

Yeah, I get that, but Snyder-fear was peripheral to his main point as I took it (a reason to STICK with Shanahan--read what he wrote--he thinks Shanny should stay with RG3), and even so, his criticism component is consistent with what he's said from the beginning, and (as I pointed out) we will have half the fan base swinging wildly, back and forth, on the same angle given a win or a loss. I was responding to elk's emphasis of OF's Snyder comment.


Sooo....anyway....

lol, yes, anywaaaay....

We're honed in on two different issues here. I'm more focused on Oldfan's response to elk about not believing Mike can or is willing to build a no.1 franchise. You're more focused on the OP. Apples and Grapefruits.

[thesubmittedone]

My argument has nothing to do with whether or not Mike Shanahan is willing or able to build a team that be number one in the NFL. I wrote my opinion on that so that readers would understand where I'm coming from.

We can disagree on that with no effect whatsoever on the argument in the OP.

In summary---

Rg3 is a better talent than Cutler;

Mike handled Cutler well in Denver;

Cutler's talent was wasted after he left Denver;

Mike Shanahan is unlike to screw up RG3's career;

Therefore, we should stick with him.

See my response to Jumbo here... I know, I wasn't really responding to the OP, lol.

But, in a sense, I'm adding to it. I don't think it's the ONLY reason to stick with Mike. Not even close. We disagree there.

[Jumbo]

Apples and Grapefruits.

That's what I put in the blender this morning with greek yogurt and vanilla protein powder (mixed thick, frozen, and then sprinkled with walnuts and blueberries ).

---------- Post added November-23rd-2012 at 10:20 AM ----------

This is what actually concerned me recently, OF---that I (like it's up to me) am more reluctant to let Mike go if next year is iffy performance-wise on his end, because of connection to best RG3 development.

It complicates matters if there's an issue. If it's a good year, no issue.

[thesubmittedone]

Wasn't assigning that to you as much as a general tone I thought likely to continue (since it's OF and knowing the turf and seeing your and elk's replies--no slam intended).

Understood.

I'm honestly tired and exhausted of all the arguing. I really got frustrated after the Panthers game from just how rabid everyone got and how many threads were created about how awful the direction of this team is... so I stopped. I stopped even coming here. After the Eagles game, I came in a few times just to see what people were saying and was disappointed to see so much "well, the Eagles suck" and "it means nothing" type of responses. That was it for me. After the first half of the Cowboys game I honestly felt bad for those who don't get to taste the sweetness of faith being rewarded, even if it was just for a moment. I got murdered for it there and it was like the one thing I said in a few weeks, lol.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm not going to harp on anything anymore. I'm going to disappear when this place gets out of hand and, even when it's not, I'm cutting down. I'm starting to realize (as I think Califan has already) that it's just more about anonymous internet rage here than anything else. It's like you have to try hard now to search for the good stuff. It stinks cuz I love this place.

I'm going to be more like you Jumbo and probably even more than that... I noticed your posts count becomes considerably less when it gets crazy around here. Smart man.

[Oldfan]

...But, in a sense, I'm adding to it. I don't think it's the ONLY reason to stick with Mike. Not even close. We disagree there.

We certainly do disagree there -- and that's one of those topics where you cherry-pick facts to support your opinion and I cherry pick'em to support mine for about forty pages of thread.

I wrote what I did so that readers unfamiliar with my posting history would understand that I wasn't just some silly homer supporting Mike because he checked his brains at the door before becoming a Skins fan.

[thesubmittedone]

That's what I put in the blender this morning with greek yogurt and vanilla protein powder (mixed thick, frozen, and then sprinkled with walnuts and blueberries ).

---------- Post added November-23rd-2012 at 10:20 AM ----------

This is what actually concerned me recently, OF---that I (like it's up to me) am more reluctant to let Mike go if next year is iffy performance-wise on his end, because of connection to best RG3 development.

It complicates matters if there's an issue. If it's a good year, no issue.

That sounds deliciously healthy.

My God how I wish we got to see this team without the cap penalty in place. For me, it really throws all expectations out the window. I'm actually impressed we've handled it as well as we have. Some of the injuries we have on this team this season would've been absolutely devastating in years past and would have lead to total collapses. To see how guys have come in and actually produced for us has been unlike any Redskin season previous to this one in years.

So, with that in mind, I just can't help but want to see the full five years. I also can't help but believe Mike is going to turn this around and make us a dominant franchise for years to come.

---------- Post added November-23rd-2012 at 11:27 AM ----------

We certainly do disagree there -- and that's one of those topics where you cherry-pick facts to support your opinion and I cherry pick'em to support mine for about forty pages of thread.

I wrote what I did, so that readers unfamiliar with my posting history would understand that I wasn't just some silly homer supporting Mike because he checked his brains at the door before becoming a Skins fan.

We should be ashamed. There are people starving and we have baskets of cherries rotting away in our kitchens.

[Koolblue13]

That was a wonderful way to take an unnecessary shot at Snyder.

[Jumbo]

I'm going to be more like you Jumbo and probably even more than that... I noticed your posts count becomes considerably less when it gets crazy around here. Smart man.

As someone fond of you as an ES'er, I hope you will not use me as a role model.

I stand at the end of a long line of questionable choices.

But yes, I drop off at strategic times. For me, it's a marathon and not a sprint, and I have enough obligation to practice tolerance and find as much genuine positive regard for others as possible in my professional life that I try not to over-strain on the interwebz.

Share another little trick with ya...no matter what "tone" I post in, I rarely (if ever) bring much personal emotional investment (or ego/self-identity needs) into my posting on most "arguments" on typical topics. I am generally quite unconcerned with convincing or persuading anyone of anything. There are other motives/reasons for posting that wear far less on health and stability.

---------- Post added November-23rd-2012 at 10:33 AM ----------

That was a wonderful way to take an unnecessary shot at Snyder.

Go back to the island bar, Kool, amigo. You missed the boat here completely.

[thesubmittedone]

Totally with ya, Jumbo. That's pretty much what I was trying to get across, however lacking in eloquence in comparison to your phrasing it.

[Oldfan]

That was a wonderful way to take an unnecessary shot at Snyder.

The shot was necessary in order to have readers understand the position I take as a basis for the argument.

[Jumbo]

My God how I wish we got to see this team without the cap penalty in place.

This is one of the single biggest incidents in a many-decades-long history. Even with just average results in selections made, having kept that amount to throw at players would have been so huge...look at what's been done with the talent level we have...imagine what might have been, even for a first year with Rg3...and what it likely would have meant for the 2nd year...and the 3rd...sigh