CBS: Modern wheat a "perfect, chronic poison," doctor says

[KingGibbs]

I have a question for you Special K.

With the latest findings in gluten. Are you going to give up Special K?

[Riggo#44]

For those who doubt the growing wheat intolerance...I know first hand what it did to my body.

Wheat free I now live a gout-like pain free life with little to no stomach problems (ones that I had had all my adult life). That's something that I couldn't claim 14 months ago (when I finally eliminated all wheat from my diet).

I lost about 25 lbs in 6 weeks avoiding sugar, diary and wheat.

[Special K]

I have a question for you Special K.

With the latest findings in gluten. Are you going to give up Special K?

Neveeerrrrrr

Actually, I don't even eat Special K

That being said, if you want a recipe for a vegetarian casserole made out of Special K (I **** you not), let me know My mom would make that occasionally during my childhood. I don't recall any other food initiating that quick and severe of a gag reflex than that frickin casserole....

Now being serious about gluten, I don't actively avoid gluten-containing products as gluten does not upset my stomach.

[Mr. Sinister]

I've been eating pretty much nothing but split top, whole grain wheat bread for like 5 years...

Been nice knowing you all.

[PeterMP]

\The leading group of paleo folk do seem to encourage variety and the consumption of organ meat. More emphasis could stand to be placed on it, though, as a lot of people simply find the idea unpalatable.

That's good. I don't honestly read much of the real paleo folk. I know a few people that are eating paleo, and they don't seem to go out of their way to eat organ meant, and it isn't a lot of you SHOULD eat these things. It is a lot of do NOT eat these things.

I know one guy that is eating paleo and seems to eat the same meats almost every day (sausage with breakfast, ham on a salad with lunch, and then some sort of breast chicken based meal for dinner, and then he'll mix in fruit and other things with different meals) based on my conversations with him.

That isn't REALLY very like what any humans have eaten historically.

[Corcaigh]

One of the points in the Michael Pollan article I linked was that many traditional cuisines seem to have healthy outcomes, when at first glance they look very different from what we think of as healthy nowadays. But many cusines would include organs in staple dishes. Steak and kidney pie, liver with onions, cow's tongue, etc. were all favorites of mine as a kid.

[skinsfan07]

Stories like this are why I always take health food advice with a grain of salt. (see what I did there?)

What's "healthy" and what isn't changes every day and is entirely dependent on who you ask. Wheat bread was supposed to be the healthy way to go, and now I'm hearing it's poison.

Yeah...I'll just go ahead and eat what I want.

exactly. We all gon die anyways, so **** it. I'd rather eat the delciiosu foods I want, than spend all my time and energy eating "what's right" according to the media. Yea screw that noise. Fruits, veggies and whole grain's are healthy for you. I'll stick to those, with the occasional pizza, or burger thrown in and be fine.

[Koolblue13]

Based on your stances regarding animal rights that you've displayed here in this ES forum, I'm very surprised to hear you eat meat. Not that it's a bad thing, it's just surprising to me. Do you eat all kinds of meat, or only limited selections of mea, or whatt?

Even though I'm a recent vegetarian convert, I still eat meat if it's served to me as I think it's rude to not eat food offered to you by hosts. I just don't cook it myself

About a month before I moved, I was really stressed out and fell off the wagon so to speak. I really fell apart. I was so deep into the animal rescue stuff and animal rights, seeing the harm in the world type view, it was ripping out my heart. Mix that with the amount of drugs aand alcohol I was enjoying and I basically just crumbled as a person and ran away to the tropics. Since I've been here, I've tried to refind my focus aand I'm getting back there. I've kind of put my head in the sand to be honest, but I'm now back to not eating meat at home and only eating meat I know where it came from. (the local farm, who shot the deer, caught the fish). Mostly anyway. I live on an organic farm though, so my produce is incredible. The pineapple tastes like caramel. Incredible. I can't wait. Avocado is like butter and grow so big you can make a half gallon of guac out of one.

[Special K]

About a month before I moved, I was really stressed out and fell off the wagon so to speak. I really fell apart. I was so deep into the animal rescue stuff and animal rights, seeing the harm in the world type view, it was ripping out my heart. Mix that with the amount of drugs aand alcohol I was enjoying and I basically just crumbled as a person and ran away to the tropics. Since I've been here, I've tried to refind my focus aand I'm getting back there. I've kind of put my head in the sand to be honest, but I'm now back to not eating meat at home and only eating meat I know where it came from. (the local farm, who shot the deer, caught the fish). Mostly anyway. I live on an organic farm though, so my produce is incredible. The pineapple tastes like caramel. Incredible. I can't wait. Avocado is like butter and grow so big you can make a half gallon of guac out of one.

Thanks for the honest answer

I can see how becoming heavily invested in a certain cause you are passionate about can lead to quick burnout. I hope you find what you are looking for during your time on USVI

[Koolblue13]

Thanks for the honest answer

I can see how becoming heavily invested in a certain cause you are passionate about can lead to quick burnout. I hope you find what you are looking for during your time on USVI

Thanks. Always honest and usually a little too open. It's a flaw I enjoy or take pride in or something. I started looking at food in the grocery store and seeing what was involved in it.

Look at a package and see what's advertised inside of it. First, notice the amount of garbage and think about how garbage affects other living things on the planet. Next, think about the actual "food". Meaning, what actually has nutrients in it and will do something positive for your body and consider how much edible garbage is around it. Then, consider the freshness and how the value and appeal of that product holds up to the cost. I think something like a "Lunchables" is the perfect example. Tons of toxic garbage, very little nutrients and flavors that completely fail compared to what they could be.

Once I opened my eyes to that, that's when I started to eat better and began to search for info about food. I've always been an animal lover and thinking about things like if I eat a can of tuna (which I did today), it's usually net or line caught. The giant fishing trawlers catch sea turtles, whales, dolphin, everything. nets and lines don't discriminate. If I buy that product, I am condoning, even encouraging, this practice to continue.

These are the awareness that changed my diet.

[Jumbo]

It's worth making the "traditional" point about anecdotal testimony in such matters (especially when such are so used in marketing). They can be real, they can be meaningful, and they don't need to be discounted or disrespected.

But such, as told this way, are simply what they are in these kind of conversations---stories and suppositions, not scientific evidence.

One way to expand on what I mean is to think of all the posts so far in the thread that swear by the elimination of wheat/grain and then reflect on how there could be hundreds of posts in here form people who eat substantial wheat/grains regularly and whose health is perfectly normal/good. See what I mean?

One group doesn't "over-ride" the others in terms of inherent worth. They just demonstrate the nature of honestly differing truths that render either side's simpler views (it's bad/it's good) useless (and dumb) when put that way (as in the article).

To the people who seriously (big boys) study matters, the goals will include knowing what populations substance "x" is good for and in what ways and why, what ones it isn't, and what aspects of such things are more generally true for most people as distinguished from (often much) smaller percentages.

The serious "dumbness" comes in when someone (at this point in time) says "wheat is a great evil" (again, as in the article's book-sales-drumming subject ) or "the gluten free people are goofs."

PeterMP touches on something I alluded to--our gastrointestinal system, and all our nutrient-gathering, processing and elimination systems, are amazingly versatile and hardy. Our anecdotal worlds include vast numbers of examples of those people who eat like they're trying to kill themselves with various forms of amazingly poor diets, yet seem reasonably (annoyingly ) healthy.

Our personal psychology often creates way more work (and beliefs) in these concerns then the reality of what we ingest actually taxing those systems severely or seriously limiting our overall health---if following basic "sensible" practices and utilizing qualified medical evaluations for your individual situation.

Find what works for you, but getting on a soapbox and applying simplistic and extreme positions ("grains bad") in broad strokes is the same on this subject as most others.

[Koolblue13]

While speaking in extremes is rarely if ever the correct line to take, I do think there are some stances in food that they apply. Factory farming is cruel. Possessed foods are always bad. GMOs are a product of greed and laziness. Food is the most important thing you do every day. You can chose to ignore some of these things and lead a happy healthy life, while the person next to you can eat rays of sunshine and have 40 types of cancer, sure, we are all different. It doesn't change some things.

[dfitzo53]

Possessed foods are always bad.

Possessed food. Now that's some scary ****.

[Koolblue13]

Possessed food. Now that's some scary ****.

Yeah, at that hour, most things are possessed.

[KAOSkins]

GMO creation is anything but lazy, at least in the respect that the money, time and effort that's gone into creating them are enormous. They are a product of greed but then so was the first domesticated grain. After wading through the mountain of anecdotal and non-mainstream methods of treating a chronic condition that are out there, I have to go back to the old show me the study line. Otherwise you inundate yourself with constantly shifting thoughts on it. All of which seem to make sense at least until it's shown not to. That's unhealthy in it's own right.

It's amazing to me the various dietary tools and medicines that, contrary to common sense, are effective or in some cases very much not so. When your goal is to live to 100, as is the case with a lot of us today, the chemistry of what you put in your body may be more than it was when wheat was domesticated, but folks in the neolithic didn't live long enough to see any major benefit beyond calories and would have jumped for joy at the manna from heaven that Kraft Mac 'n Cheese or Wolf Brand Chili would have presented. At least that's my take on it. A very first world problem.