The Almighty Quarterback Bandwagon Runs Out of Control

[Botched]

Say that you have the exact same team that is quarterbacked by one guy one week, and a different guy the next week... with vastly different results. What percentage of the blame would you put on the fact that a backup was in there?

Like, if Jay Cutler got hurt, and Jason Campbell came in and stunk it up... would you say that 75% of the blame is on the rest of the team or 100% of the loss goes to Cutler not being there?

Same thing happened to the Bears last year when Cutler went down. They started the season 7-3, he got hurt, and they finished 0-6 without him.

[Dan T.]

How can you give the QB 40-50% when he doesn't play special teams, defense, or play the RB position? That's 75 - 80% of the plays right there.

Is there a different influence on a defense from a quarterback who goes 3 and out most offensive possessions vs. a quarterback who leads scoring drives? In neither case is the quarterback playing defense, but his play certainly affects the D.

[DC9]

I'd say that statement would be stronger if you had Montgomery instead of Lich. I'm not sure why our own fans can't just admit a guy is good. People keep judging Montgomery playing out of position, he's a CENTER, and a pretty good one. He is, however, not much of a guard.

Call me crazy, but I love our offensive line, especially from Center to Left Tackle... #allday

[Oldfan]

....or you can make the colts without Manning argument also. The backup lost 75% more games. The number 1 pick in the draft this year has the same team back to a winning record.

Maybe Peyton decided to have his surgery because his Colts lost six of their seven best linemen to injury and their receivers were in and out of the lineup with injuries.

---------- Post added November-27th-2012 at 11:56 AM ----------

Is there a different influence on a defense from a quarterback who goes 3 and out most offensive possessions vs. a quarterback who leads scoring drives? In neither case is the quarterback playing defense, but his play certainly affects the D.

If you had an accurate value of the QB position as created by Shanahan's scheme and an accurate value of RG3's talent, you could multiply those two numbers to find the total weight of the QB in the scheme.

However, if you removed RG3 and substituted another QB, the scheme-determined QB position value would remain the same.

[wrecker]

Maybe Peyton decided to have his surgery because his Colts lost six of their seven best linemen to injury and their receivers were in and out of the lineup with injuries.

Yeah, I'm sure he did that on purpose to ensure they would pick his replacement in the draft.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

RGIII is already the most important player in Redskins' history.

Excluding Sammy Baugh (who played a sport that I am not convinced is actually football)...he is already the greatest QB in Redskins history.

Better than Sonny. Better than Joe T. Better than Rypien.

Arguing about made up percentages is kind of pointles.

---------- Post added November-27th-2012 at 12:58 PM ----------

Maybe Peyton decided to have his surgery because his Colts lost six of their seven best linemen to injury and their receivers were in and out of the lineup with injuries.

He had four surgeries. To his neck.

I'm not sure he had a lot of options there.

[ddub52]

I think you should factor in reading the defense, audibles and adjustments made on every offensive down. Not to mention handoffs. The ball touches the QB's hands virtually every offensive play.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Same thing happened to the Bears last year when Cutler went down. They started the season 7-3, he got hurt, and they finished 0-6 without him.

Did anyone watch the Steelers the last two weeks? They aren't competitive without Roethlisberger.

[Oldfan]

So if Griffin goes out, the Redskins 90.7% as good with Cousins under center?

No.

Like Dan, you are confusing two numbers. I'm giving an estimate of the position value which is scheme related but cannot be changed by the ability of the QB.

---------- Post added November-27th-2012 at 12:02 PM ----------

RGIII is already the most important player in Redskins' history.

Excluding Sammy Baugh (who played a sport that I am not convinced is actually football)...he is already the greatest QB in Redskins history.

Better than Sonny. Better than Joe T. Better than Rypien.

Arguing about made up percentages is kind of pointles.

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He had four surgeries. To his neck.

I'm not sure he had a lot of options there.

The OP isn't pointless. You missed the point.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

No.

Like Dan, you are confusing two numbers. I'm giving an estimate of the position value which is scheme related but cannot be changed by the ability of the QB.

In other words, you are just completely making up numbers. Gotcha.

The QB position is 52.6 percent more important than the center position. That's science.

[Oldfan]

Yeah, I'm sure he did that on purpose to ensure they would pick his replacement in the draft.

It worked out for Peyton and the team, didn't it? Good planning. The Colts sucked for Luck as some posters here put it.

[Stophovr6]

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[Oldfan]

In other words, you are just completely making up numbers. Gotcha.

I didn't make up those stats. Check them if you like.

---------- Post added November-27th-2012 at 12:11 PM ----------

He had four surgeries. To his neck.

I'm not sure he had a lot of options there.

Are you sure he didn't? The timing worked out perfectly for the team and for Peyton.

[darrelgreenie]

Did anyone watch the Steelers the last two weeks? They aren't competitive without Roethlisberger.

Yep, watched the better part of both games and I thought they were competitive. They lost to the Ravens by 3 in a game where it became obvious that Leftwhich couldn't throw the ball due to injury in the second half. Against Cleveland they were within a touchdown in a game where they lost 5 fumbles.

[wrecker]

It worked out for Peyton and the team, didn't it? Good planning. The Colts sucked for Luck as some posters here put it.

After 14 years with the colts, I'm sure his first choice scenario was starting over with another team in the twilight of his career.