Jason Babin just released by the Eagles - Should we make a run?

[greenspandan]

i repeat ... dude's a jerk with no heart and nobody on the eagles can stand him. haynesworth 2.0, minus anyone at all who will stick up for him.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

And 5.5 this season.

And has never (again, as far as I can tell) played in the 3-4.

I think he did play 3-4 OLB with Houston. Am I wrong?

I don't think he played that well in it though.

[Prototype]

The SOLB (Kerrigan) responsibility is to cover TE's and the run game and blitz over 35 % of the time. The WOLB (Orakpo) responsibility is to cover short zones and man up on the RB while blitzing over 60 % of the time.... Yea, I watch football.

Yes, they rush majority of the time, but they still have other responsibilities, which proved my point. Babin can't play the run, nor can he play man/zone. If they want to bring him in here to just to play qb rush snaps, thats a waste of a roster spot and $$$. We have guys like Lorenzo and Jackson that are much more versatile.

[Arsenic]

[nuposse87]

But how do we even know that he is mediocre in a 3-4? If you try and bring in a player and introduce them to a new scheme and they suck, that is counterproductive. It could make a questionable defense even worse. We have learned that lesson before. He could very well be garbage in a scheme that he does not know just as easily as he could be mediocre.

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2...nd-jason-babin

the 2nd part of the article lends some agreement to your concern. His production was mediocre to bad as a rookie in his younger days. The thing is, his production doesn't seem any worse than we're getting right now...it might be presumptuous to say he's learned some subtle nuances of how to be more effective in the league now...but I think people are guarded for the wrong reasons. Fit is the only concern I can see...but I don't see how his production could actually be worse. Not my decision to make though, I just want the defense to catch a break, maybe Babin can be it? We'll see.

[maskedsuperstar]

we're complaining about a dude getting 5.5 sacks when our best pass rusher only has 6.5? Honestly...even for a 5 game rental...what do we have to lose? I don't care about this attitude problems so long as he helps the secondary in passing downs. If we don't get him...fine...but to not even explore the option would be a sign of incompetence. We need talent. There is potential this could help with a playoff run.

Hi Vinny!

[nuposse87]

1.) If we claim him off waivers, he's not cheap. We'd be picking up his contract from Philly.

2.) I said mediocre at best. Really, he sucked. Babin sucked as a 3-4 linebacker. He got traded from Houston for a nobody safety from Seattle, then got cut from Seattle as a DE and got cut. He got claimed by Kansas City and sucked in Kansas City, then got claimed by Philly, and he sucked in Philly. He's had an 8 year career and the only time he hasn't sucked has been two seasons, and not he can't even get on the field over Derek Landri (who?).

A guy is what he is. Babin sucks. He's sucked every year but two in his career.

3.) The 49ers picked up 'Los on the cheap as a free agent on a one year "prove it" deal. And 'Los, for all intents and purposes, is playing a lot more like he was in Washington this year then his Pro Bowl season 2011; okay, above average but not a playmaker and he drops interceptions.

You do not build a football team by scraping the bottom of the barrel everytime some jerk like Babin gets cut. Teams aren't in the business of letting good players or players who are worth the money they pay go.

And this is all a moot point because there's a bunch of 4-3 teams ahead of us in the waiver priority that will probably claim him before we get the chance.

1) we're not gonna get him on waivers, people won't want his contract, but if there was mutual interest I'd be all for a cheaper signing.
2) If he sucks I'd like to know what you think of our current DL/LB core.
3)I think you're a little bitter seeing another guy thrive after he left town. He's still a better secondary player then anyone on our roster. Point is, management should be able to find ways to squeeze talent every now and then. We can't rely on the draft as much and our FA window is shut for another year so we need to look for talent where its available. Relative to our defensive roster...he still has talent. But if you're right and some other 4-3 team claims him, no biggie.

[Bishop Hammer]

Babin has 3-4 experience and has played in the division. It'd be worth a gamble to nick him.

[MartinC]

I think he did play 3-4 OLB with Houston. Am I wrong?

I don't think he played that well in it though.

Actually you are right - he played OLB in their 3-4 in his rookie year, I had forgotten that. But they switched to the 4-3 in his second year (the year they drafted Mario Williams) and he switched to DE. `so he has 1 year (I think) of playing as an OLB in a 3-4 but has played DE in a 4-3 since then.

At best for us he would be a situational pass rusher playing some DE when we go to 4 down lineman or stand up rush end when we go to our nickle or dime packages. He will want to go to a 4-3 team and thats who would get the best (if there is any left) value from him. Not us.

[nuposse87]

Hi Vinny!

vinny would give him a 3 year deal, how bout reading what I said instead of spewing bull****.

[dcsmooth]

I say definately a "Yes"...we really need an additional pass rusher for the remainder of the season

[KingGibbs]

We should sign him the week of the Eagles game in order to decipher some intel about their defense. Oh wait. We don't need to because their defense blows and we kicked their ass two weeks ago.

Just say no to Justin Beiber, I mean Justin Babin, I mean Jason Babin.

Subject to change if they think he could fit in the 3-4.

[andyburd]

Hell yes, we have 0 pass rush

[DarrellsMyHero28]

I think he did play 3-4 OLB with Houston. Am I wrong?

I don't think he played that well in it though.

Actually you are right - he played OLB in their 3-4 in his rookie year, I had forgotten that. But they switched to the 4-3 in his second year (the year they drafted Mario Williams) and he switched to DE. `so he has 1 year (I think) of playing as an OLB in a 3-4 but has played DE in a 4-3 since then.

At best for us he would be a situational pass rusher playing some DE when we go to 4 down lineman or stand up rush end when we go to our nickle or dime packages. He will want to go to a 4-3 team and thats who would get the best (if there is any left) value from him. Not us.

Ah, my mistake.

Didn't realize Houston had played a 3-4 prior to their current Defense under Wade Phillips.

Still, no thanks.

[Boss_Hogg]

First off, I want to pass on Babin. He doesn't fit our 3-4 scheme and the cap hit is too much for 5 games. (4 if time is required learn the PB)

Babin earned the reputation as a quitter after the Fecals 4th straight loss, this is what he had to say:

During the game there was a good section of fans chanting some of the most vile things I’ve ever heard. Not just at a football game, but in life, in general. Talking about attacking Coach (Andy Reid), talking about people’s wives and kids and chanting them. And I just thought there was no place for that in the NFL, none whatsoever.

I’ve never heard -- listen, I don’t want to even repeat what I heard, it was that bad; and I’ve got a pretty high threshold for adult jokes, to give you an idea of what they’re saying.

The man did'nt quit, he just did'nt want to play for those fans and who could blame him.