This might be the deepest (and most controversial) MLB HOF ballot in a long time

[The Evil Genius]

The 2013 National Baseball Hall of Fame ballot is crazy.

Up for vote this year...

Barry Bonds

Roger Clemens

Craig Biggio (3k+ hits)

Sammy Sosa

Mike Piazza (2nd best hitting catcher of all time?)

Curt Schilling

Mark McGwire (still)

and sadly not elected yet Jack Morris.

So who gets in?

Will Bonds transgressions be ignored by enough voters? How about the same for Clemens or Sosa?

[Kilmer17]

Piazza is a lock. I think Morris and Schilling get in.

I think hell will freeze before any of the Roiders get even close.

[The Evil Genius]

Schilling isn't first ballot worthy. I'm not even sold on him being HOF worthy. He barely has over 200 wins.

[Stadium-Armory]

Biggio Piazza

[Kilmer17]

Schilling isn't first ballot worthy. I'm not even sold on him being HOF worthy. He barely has over 200 wins.

I thought this was his second ballot?

I would agree then. His Post Season performances are what gets him in.

[Dan T.]

Piazza is a lock. I think Morris and Schilling get in.

I think hell will freeze before any of the Roiders get even close.

Yet Piazza was suspected of steroid use as well, and admitted to using androstenedione early in his career. It's going to be tough for voters to muddle through the whole Steroid Era as these guys become HoF-eligible

[Heidenreich]

Every steroid person will eventually get into the hall of fame. As the younger media voter gets into the voting process, their votes will rise. It's the old guard that will keep them out for now.

I, personally, think Barry Bonds is a hall of famer. So is Roger Clemens. I know they both juiced, but I also know they were two of the best to ever play, BEFORE they ever injected.

Sosa has no chance until McGwire sniffs. Bonds and Clemens will make it in before either of them.....

[PeterMP]

Every steroid person will eventually get into the hall of fame. As the younger media voter gets into the voting process, their votes will rise. It's the old guard that will keep them out for now.

I, personally, think Barry Bonds is a hall of famer. So is Roger Clemens. I know they both juiced, but I also know they were two of the best to ever play, BEFORE they ever injected.

Sosa has no chance until McGwire sniffs. Bonds and Clemens will make it in before either of them.....

The fact of the matter is that none of us know when they started injecting.

Clemens had surgery in 1985 to repair a torn rotator cuff.

Can you really sit here today and say he didn't start doing steriods after that surgery to help him recover?

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Piazza and Biggio (3K hits = automatically in IMO) are in...Schilling will get in eventually and Morris has a shot.

I wouldn't hold my breath for the rest

[First Colony]

Every steroid person will eventually get into the hall of fame. As the younger media voter gets into the voting process, their votes will rise. It's the old guard that will keep them out for now.

I, personally, think Barry Bonds is a hall of famer. So is Roger Clemens. I know they both juiced, but I also know they were two of the best to ever play, BEFORE they ever injected.

Sosa has no chance until McGwire sniffs. Bonds and Clemens will make it in before either of them.....

Baseball HOF is still chosen by just the writers (BBWAA), so the "younger media voters" don't really exist. Personally, I think they should expand the voters to include broadcasters, writers and maybe even some from new media.
Morris should certainly be in-not sold on Schilling.
Piazza will be there as well.

[Predicto]

As we have discussed before on this board, Piazza was a well-known juicer. Oh well. I don't care.

Pretty much everyone on this list belongs in. Morris, Sosa and Schilling are the most borderline. They will probably get in eventually. Bonds, Biggio, Clemens and Piazza should be first ballot, but they won't be, of course.

[Spaceman Spiff]

The fact of the matter is that none of us know when they started injecting.

Clemens had surgery in 1985 to repair a torn rotator cuff.

Can you really sit here today and say he didn't start doing steriods after that surgery to help him recover?

Clemens started working with McNamee when he joined the Blue Jays in the late 1990's.

I've been looking for the past 10 minutes but I can't find the article that talked about the first time Clemens juiced. IIRC it was before a start against Baltimore.

Ultimately, you're right...but it doesn't take much to see when Bonds started putting up massive power numbers and the changes in his body composition.

I used to be really against the PED-ers...now I really don't care as much. Clemens and Bonds were HoF caliber guys before they started juicing, this is true.

The guy I feel sorry for in all this is Bagwell. Not named in the Mitchell report, not ever mentioned in any rumors...but due to a muscular physique, writers just made assumptions. He put up sick numbers in his career.

[MattFancy]

Such a crazy list of names. 10 years ago, these guys were complete locks to get in. Now, who knows? I think Biggio and Piazza will get in on the 1st ballot. No idea if/when the rest get in.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Am I the only one who doesn't want to see Morris get in?

His lifetime ERA is 3.91 which is good but not great. His ERA+ is 105. He lead the league in wins twice, once during a strike shortened year. He lead the league in shutouts once, strikeouts once...then lead the league in wild pitches 6 times and earned runs once. He placed in the top 3 in Cy Young voting twice and never finished higher than third.

Yes, he was the winning-est pitcher of the 80's but Mark Grace had the most hits of the 1990's and I don't see anyone campaigning for his HoF chances. He was ridiculous in Game 7, 1991.

To me, it just adds up to a really good career, not a great one.

[SteveFromYellowstone]

Every steroid person will eventually get into the hall of fame. As the younger media voter gets into the voting process, their votes will rise. It's the old guard that will keep them out for now.

I, personally, think Barry Bonds is a hall of famer. So is Roger Clemens. I know they both juiced, but I also know they were two of the best to ever play, BEFORE they ever injected.

Sosa has no chance until McGwire sniffs. Bonds and Clemens will make it in before either of them.....

Yeah you're right they both juiced, but so did everyone else. Some estimates are that half of baseball used them at one point. I agree with you. Baseball "purists" want to pretend the game was clean and perfect in the old days. They cheated even more back then and black players couldnt play.