Victor Cruz "Skins are not yet contenders"

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Those flaws disappeared in the playoffs..sorry, nobody is beating elite teams with a crappy offensive line and a secondary of swiss cheese. Both those areas stepped up in the playoffs. I do admit in this NFL, any team with a good qb could get hot.

The Saints and Packers have both won championships with one or both of those problems. The Colts won a championship without being able to stop the run. Getting hot for 3 games and shoring up a weakness doesn't mean that those flaws don't still exist.

I can find 3 games in 2012 during which the Redskins' D hasn't looked pathetic. That doesn't mean it isn't flawed.

[jp03]

The Saints and Packers have both won championships with one or both of those problems. The Colts won a championship without being able to stop the run. Getting hot for 3 games and shoring up a weakness doesn't mean that those flaws don't still exist.

I can find 3 games in 2012 during which the Redskins' D hasn't looked pathetic. That doesn't mean it isn't flawed.

Colts always got ahead in games thus the opponents running game was never a huge factor. Packers actually played pretty well defensively at the end of their run. But i do see your points for sure. Those flaws were present but the teams were able to overcome them.

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Well, I'm not playing so I don't need the angle personally. I want to win the same now as I did 5 minutes before I read Cruz's quote. I don't even find it incorrect or offensive. However, it's arrogant. I'll tell you why. Players don't generally give their honest opinions of their teammates or opponents. So, for Cruz to feel comfortable enough doing so, it tells me that he doesn't fear the Redskins. That's fine and he shouldn't, but I think it can serve as a nice motivator.

Joe Gibbs would be interviewed before games against horrible teams all the time. You'd come away from listening to those interviews petrified that the 1991 Redskins were going to lose to the Cardinals. Then, at 4:15 on Sunday as Rypien was taking a knee during a 41-7 win, you realized that he was just talking up the opponents. I'm just used to hearing those types of comments so these stick out.

I hear you.. its best to say nothing. Just not sure he meant it how it came out. I also hear Tuck saying things great about RG3 and nobody hear seems to acknowledge it.

[skinsfan4128]

Colts always got ahead in games thus the opponents running game was never a huge factor. Packers actually played pretty well defensively at the end of their run. But i do see your points for sure. Those flaws were present but the teams were able to overcome them.

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I hear you.. its best to say nothing. Just not sure he meant it how it came out. I also hear Tuck saying things great about RG3 and nobody hear seems to acknowledge it.

And truth be known, what did those SB teams all have in common? (Drum roll) QB's. And I think it's safe to say Washington has one now. Though, I'd have to say your team has a pretty good one as well, if counting SB rings. Still hate the bastards though.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Colts always got ahead in games thus the opponents running game was never a huge factor. Packers actually played pretty well defensively at the end of their run. But i do see your points for sure. Those flaws were present but the teams were able to overcome them.

I definitely agree that you can't win anything meaningful while your flaws are on display. But they might still be there either being masked by players playing above their heads, schemes, etc.

I hear you.. its best to say nothing. Just not sure he meant it how it came out. I also hear Tuck saying things great about RG3 and nobody hear seems to acknowledge it.

Agreed. I've read plenty of nice things coming from the Giants to the Redskins. I just hope my team uses this to fuel the game...I don't really care how it was meant as I don't know Victor Cruz or worry too much about his opinion of my team.

[skinsfan4128]

Colts always got ahead in games thus the opponents running game was never a huge factor. Packers actually played pretty well defensively at the end of their run. But i do see your points for sure. Those flaws were present but the teams were able to overcome them.

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I hear you.. its best to say nothing. Just not sure he meant it how it came out. I also hear Tuck saying things great about RG3 and nobody hear seems to acknowledge it.

I just read Tuck's comments about RG3. Clearly, our QB has earned his complete respect. Or is it simply fear I smell?

[LCA77]

Reading just the headline to this thread led me to have one thought. However, after reading the entire conversation, I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said. I don't take it as disrespectful in any way. What he said was 100% accurate and he said it in a polite manner, with no harm meant. At least that's my opinion. Hopefully the Redskins won't see it that same way and will use this for motivation though!

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I was guilty of just reading the quote in the OP. After reading the entire thing he said, it's definitely more of a complimentary opinion than anything. I jumped the gun (even though I didn't really react to it) and assumed that he was putting the team down. Either way, maybe Shanahan will just highlight the negative part and get the team fired up. Go Skins!

[jp03]

And truth be known, what did those SB teams all have in common? (Drum roll) QB's. And I think it's safe to say Washington has one now. Though, I'd have to say your team has a pretty good one as well, if counting SB rings. Still hate the bastards though.

Having a good qb can hide alot of flaws....yep you one now. Hence go from also-ran to playoff contender

---------- Post added November-29th-2012 at 03:58 PM ----------

I just read Tuck's comments about RG3. Clearly, our QB has earned his complete respect. Or is it simply fear I smell?

haha..could be a little fear

[skinsfan4128]

If it makes you feel any better, I could somewhat sympathize with Tuck. I'd dread having to chase RG3 around for 60 minutes my-damn-self. But, then again, I will have no mercy for him or the Giants.

[DieselPwr44]

This basically comes down to one thing:

**** the Giants.

Sideways with a blunt object

[jp03]

If it makes you feel any better, I could somewhat sympathize with Tuck. I'd dread having to chase RG3 around for 60 minutes my-damn-self. But, then again, I will have no mercy for him or the Giants.

Its the rifle shot down the field with one on one coverage that I fear more...As for his running its easily handable but..problem is if you take it away, you have to put 8 in the box. That creates problems if a qb can exploit it and RG3 can.

[SJValleySkinz]

The comment made it to NFL Live on ESPN. Somewhere Shanhan should be going "excellent....excellent"

[pjfootballer]

Joe Gibbs would be interviewed before games against horrible teams all the time. You'd come away from listening to those interviews petrified that the 1991 Redskins were going to lose to the Cardinals. Then, at 4:15 on Sunday as Rypien was taking a knee during a 41-7 win, you realized that he was just talking up the opponents. I'm just used to hearing those types of comments so these stick out.

That is so true. Listening to Gibbs pressers made you feel like we were 2-10 and the Cardinals were 11-1 and going to blow our doors off. I mean, according the Joe, there was no way to stop the juggernaut that was the 1980-1992 St. Louis/Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals and we just didn't stand a chance in hell.

[zskins]

So Cruz let me get this straight - we are couple of pieces away from being a contender but yet we are in playoff talks. Got it!

[skinsfan4128]

Its the rifle shot down the field with one on one coverage that I fear more...As for his running its easily handable but..problem is if you take it away, you have to put 8 in the box. That creates problems if a qb can exploit it and RG3 can.

Good point, JP. And I'd imagine that the Giants D absolutely does not want to have to stack the box. Though with RG3 and Morris, they might very well have to.

But yeah, after the way the passing game has really opened up for us, that might spell doom for ya'll should your secondary have to deal with that. And I'd love it.