A sports junkies caller blew my mind this morning about a loophole in the you cant throw a challenge flag on an automatic reviewable play

[PerryMason]

There's no loophole. The play CAN be reviewed, it's just that the review can't benefit the penalized team. So, throwing a challenge flag to prevent the other team from benefiting from a review won't work. They'll get the review plus the 15 yard penalty and you will look like a fool for trying to exploit a loophole that doesn't exist.

The rule is dumb on its own merit. It doesn't need a fictitious loophole to make it garbage. End thread.

This.

Anyone who actually paid attention to the announcers and controversy when it happened would know that the team that throws the challenge flag can't benefit, but if the other team can benefit from review it will still be reviewed.

THERE IS NO LOOPHOLE.

....Still a dumb rule though.

[gortiz]

Dude I apologized and asked the MODS to close it, What else do you want me to do.

Didn't mean to pile on card, I'm just anal with that, and I guess a frustrated mod wannbe sometimes. I'm the guy in our HOA that complains about people putting out bags of trash on the sidewalk two days before pick up!

let's and make up

[asnpcwiz]

I'm the guy in our HOA that complains about people putting out bags of trash on the sidewalk two days before pick up!

Oh, and I'm the guy that intentionally does that to hear the guy like you complain about it...awesome.

[thecardiacrll]

Didn't mean to pile on card, I'm just anal with that, and I guess a frustrated mod wannbe sometimes. I'm the guy in our HOA that complains about people putting out bags of trash on the sidewalk two days before pick up!

let's and make up

The trash thing I hate that too and my neighbor is the king of that. And he puts furniture out there too. No problem it's all good. Like I said I never really start new threads. Thought i actually did things right. Ive seen alot of titles get killed for not being specific so I tried to make it as specific as I can. I knew it was long but didn't realize that was a rule as well.

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This.

Anyone who actually paid attention to the announcers and controversy when it happened would know that the team that throws the challenge flag can't benefit, but if the other team can benefit from review it will still be reviewed.

THERE IS NO LOOPHOLE.

....Still a dumb rule though.

Yeah i found the actual rule and how it's written. You are exactly right i posted it on thread #32. The rule does state it only penalizes the team that threw the flag. Thats why I tried to get the thread closed.

[Larry Brown #43]

There's no loophole. The play CAN be reviewed, it's just that the review can't benefit the penalized team.

This is correct. It was made very clear after the Lions' Thanksgiving debacle.

[MDTERPS27]

why would they eject santana moss because of our coach illegally throwing a challenge flag? moss wouldnt have told him to do it.

John Mara would make up a new rule that says spinning the ball in celebration after an incomplete pass is an egregious foul that warrants ejection. He would then radio it down to Hochuli.

[skns4life]

Does anyone remember week 2 vs the Rams? (Yes I know we still had replacement refs but hear me out).... Steven Jackson fumbled at the one. We were awarded the ball. Fisher threw the flag (on a play that was going to be reviewed anyway)... Not only did he not get penalized for throwing the challenge flag, they reviewed the play anyway and gave it back to the Rams, and they in turn scored a TD on the next play. Yes, it wasn't a fumble I know... but if the Texans got a win in that manner, we should have also... I don't care how we get there, I just want to be in the playoffs! 3 playoff births in the last 20 years makes one desperate!

[Cooleyfan1993]

John Mara would make up a new rule that says spinning the ball in celebration after an incomplete pass is an egregious foul that warrants ejection. He would then radio it down to Hochuli.

ah yes that makes sense.

[s0crates]

I don't think that the rule actually works the way the OP says. I think the penalty cannot prevent the other team from benefiting from the review, not sure but I think that is how it works.

The really interesting thing is why Mara pushed for this rule in the first place . . .

[BleedBNG]

Let's say you could challenge (opposing team who got burned by the TD) it without a delay of game penalty. Why? It's a freebie without the consequences of losing a TO.

[zskins]

To the OP: Why would Shanny throw the red flag if the refs have already called a TD. Is Shanny going to tell the refs no it was not a TD. or did I misread that?

[Hitman21ST]

That's incorrect. If the "opposing" coach - the coach for whom the "non-review" would benefit, throws the flag, the play still is reviewable.

[Bang]

If the play has been called incorrectly, I think it is inherent upon the league to use the replay to GET IT RIGHT.
This is the entire reason why all scoring plays and turnovers are now required to be reviewed, so they can GET IT RIGHT.
This should be the driving force behind the booth replay, to GET IT RIGHT, REGARDLESS.

How the largest and most successful sports league in the frigging country has so much trouble getting this is really REALLY beyond me.
It's disgraceful.

~BAng

[grego]

To the OP: Why would Shanny throw the red flag if the refs have already called a TD. Is Shanny going to tell the refs no it was not a TD. or did I misread that?

because under that scenario (moss not really scoring) it would be overturned (thus, no TD) if it were reviewed. so, by throwing a challenge flag, theoretically, he would be preserving the non TD.

of course, now we know that the situation cant happen, as the play is still reviewed regardless. it just couldnt benefit the red flag throwing team.

[zskins]

because under that scenario (moss not really scoring) it would be overturned (thus, no TD) if it were reviewed. so, by throwing a challenge flag, theoretically, he would be preserving the non TD.

of course, now we know that the situation cant happen, as the play is still reviewed regardless. it just couldnt benefit the red flag throwing team.

I understand the rule that is not what i was saying. I guess you missed my point: What is Shanny going to say to the ref why he threw the flag? To contest the TD? or Ooopppsss...Sorry about that ref it just fell out of my pocket.