NYDN: NY Giants should realize Robert Griffin III and Washington now their top rival in NFC East, not Philadelphia Eagles or Dallas Cowboys

[DC9]

Bottom line is the owners were obviously told to do things a certain way and Mr. Snyder chose to ignore it. Mara wasn't the only owner pissed off apparently. Restructuring salaries to all be toploaded in an uncapped yearwhen he KNEW a salary cap was coming was certainly not illegal...but it sure is a little sneaky. All in all the though the punishment was a knee jerk reaction and way excessive in my opinion. A compromise should have been reached since nothing "illegal' was done.

There thats my opinion.

Edit.... just saw your post Redskins4ever...that was pretty well put...sorry I missed it before I posted.

No, I think the bottom lines were... the NFL approved the contracts and there was no salary cap.

Obviously not all of the owners agreed to do things a certain way or participate in illegal collusion. Nothing sneaky about that. But there is something sneaky about collusion.

It'll hit you eventually, I'm sure.

[Skinsfan In NM]

Here is my issue jp03. You yourself said that the Redskins and cowpukes broke No rule. How can you be punished for breaking a rule that, not only doesn't exsist but CAN'T legally exsist? And yes I understand this isn't being talked about outside of Redskins fans, but that is only because there were only two teams hit with this. And reguardless of what folks want to tell themselves 36 million is a HUGE hit the day before free agency starts. Although only 18 million the first year.

An agreement that is not in writing is just words thrown into the wind. Plain and simple. The NFL knew this when they approved the contracts that later came back to bit us in the rump. So if anything the NFL should have been fined for thier approval of contracts that didn't fit under the "spirit of a capped season". Wouldn't you agree?

[redskins4ever28]

Oh by the way, for the whole "redskins racist name" argument.
The Redskins used to be called the Braves, then, our old owner, George Preston Marshall, changed the name to the Redskins IN HONOR OF our former head coach, William "Lone Star" Dietz, who himself was a native american.
It was meant to be in honor of native americans, not dishonor.
Also, yes I know George PReston Marshall was an extreme racist, but this was not the case.

[Riggo#44]

Whatever you say...let me know if you want to talk about the game.

When the Giants cut $18 million in salaries to ensure "Competitive Balance" let me know. Otherwise, the Redskins are hot on the Giants heels, even after getting knee-capped. Tired of hearing about it? Tough. YOUR owner did this. YOUR owner is responsible for this. Ignore it, minimize it, whatever you want. This is a fact. Get used to it.

[Henry]

Outside of D.C. its a non story. I know this seems terrible to you guys, but if the shoe was on the other foot ...what would you guys be thinking about it?

Outside of DC, almost every other owner was rewarded for shutting up with $3 million in extra cap space. Of course they are trying to make this go away.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

If they were the "whiteskins" I bet no one would say a word. When are people going to realize one of the reasons racism still exist is because people refuse to let it go and when people call everything "racist" it just brings it back in?

The silly part when people try to analogize it to "whiteskins" and the like is that they ignore the historical rooting of a word to score a rhetorical point. Like that idiot Plaschke on Around the Horn who made a huge deal of the name and said the show should no longer use the name either. He cited the "history" of the word but he failed to conduct a simple google search. An Algonquin scholar did research on the name and the first recorded incidents of its use were in translations of what NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES USED TO DESCRIBE THEMSELVES. Eventually, it became used by whites as well, though the historical record does not show that any of its use was derogatory until maybe much later. A lot of words that are an appropriate name for a people can still be derogatory in the way some people spit out "Jew" or "gay" or "homosexual" or "liberal arts major" with venom. That doesn't mean a team name that is CLEARLY meant to honor the subject is "racist."

The "theory" (by which I mean lie designed to maximize political advantage) that it has anything to do with scalps is absurd and there is absolutely no evidence for it.

The Redskins should never change their name.

[Skinsfan In NM]

And on the idea of changing our name. With respect to the board mods **** THAT! In fact if I feel this is going to happen I will run out and buy as much gear as I possibly can with the name Redskins on it just to insure that they are around for the rest of my time on this Earth. If anything the cowboys should have to change their name, I mean after all thats sexist against women correct? And the giants should have to change their name, or it could lead to hurt feelings of people with dwarfism.


Actually redskins4ever28, I think if the name was changed to "whiteskins" there would be more outcry than you are seeing now.

[Riggo#44]

Oh by the way, for the whole "redskins racist name" argument.
The Redskins used to be called the Braves, then, our old owner, George Preston Marshall, changed the name to the Redskins IN HONOR OF our former head coach, William "Lone Star" Dietz, who himself was a native american.
It was meant to be in honor of native americans, not dishonor.
Also, yes I know George PReston Marshall was an extreme racist, but this was not the case.

Marshall hated Blacks, not Indians.

Anyone that still perpetuates the whole "Racist Name" needs to research the Red Mesa Redskins. A predominantly Native American high school in Arizona that changed their name TO Redskins b/c it felt it honored them. Not to mention only about 10% of Native Americans find the name offensive. This is how Prohibition started: a vocal minority that did not speak for the masses.

[Bacon]

sigh....what do you want me to say?

You're diving into a tank of sharks by posting about this here. It's not worth it.

Julius Peppers and Matt Schaub may not be on their respective teams today had their contracts not been radically front-loaded in the uncapped year. The Bucs were also in severe violation. 20 of the 32 NFL teams spent beyond the previous year's prescribed cap in the uncapped year.

And yet the Redskins and Cowboys were the only teams that suffered penalties, mere days before free agency began...two division rivals of the Giants. Huh.

[rick7423]

I say just change the damn name. We willl still be fans of Washington's football team and this is only sports entertainment so I don't think anyone would really care about the Redskins becoming say the Washington Braves. So what if a poll says most Native Americans are against it and they sell merchandise with the Redskins logo on it. Fact of the matter is there is still a percentage of Native Americans offended by it. It's the same argument ignorant people make when they hear the n-word in rap music and think its ok to say it.

NO NO and NO! Holy crap. Do you even now the history of the name? Do you know where it came from, who came up with it, or know where the Indian chief logo came from? Hint: check my sig links...

[jp03]

Here is my issue jp03. You yourself said that the Redskins and cowpukes broke No rule. How can you be punished for breaking a rule that, not only doesn't exsist but CAN'T legally exsist? And yes I understand this isn't being talked about outside of Redskins fans, but that is only because there were only two teams hit with this. And reguardless of what folks want to tell themselves 36 million is a HUGE hit the day before free agency starts. Although only 18 million the first year.

An agreement that is not in writing is just words thrown into the wind. Plain and simple. The NFL knew this when they approved the contracts that later came back to bit us in the rump. So if anything the NFL should have been fined for thier approval of contracts that didn't fit under the "spirit of a capped season". Wouldn't you agree?

The approval of the contracts is one hell of a mystery to me. That part I'd have to research further to understand because it makes no sense.

Heh..I picture your guys bringing the salaries in to get them approved. The approver is out to lunch so there is some intern standing there and

Snyder: I need these approved!

Intern: but but sir I don't have authority to approve these. S

Snyder: Look do you like your job? If you do you'll appove these!

Intern: Ok sir

Snyder: Thats more like it!!!

hahha...sorry I am not trying to make light of this I just don't have an answer.

[SnyderShrugged]

The approval of the contracts is one hell of a mystery to me. That part I'd have to research further to understand because it makes no sense.

Heh..I picture your guys bringing the salaries in to get them approved. The approver is out to lunch so there is some intern standing there and

Snyder: I need these approved!

Intern: but but sir I don't have authority to approve these. S

Snyder: Look do you like your job? If you do you'll appove these!

Intern: Ok sir

Snyder: Thats more like it!!!

hahha...sorry I am not trying to make light of this I just don't have an answer.

JP, You seem like a good guy and intelligent to boot.

If you honestly dont understand some of the background information, why would you post defense of Mara's actions in this thread? It riles everyone up who knows the facts and you still kept up the debate throughout.

[rick7423]

Outside of D.C. its a non story. I know this seems terrible to you guys, but if the shoe was on the other foot ...what would you guys be thinking about it?

But the shoe is on OUR foot! The team you follow did this to 2 teams in his division, and only the 2 teams in HIS division. Then, Mr Mara and Mr Goodell bribed/strong armed the other owners to make it go through. Remember that the first vote they had failed. Only after more collusive activity was it ratified.

[Redskin-All-In]

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[SkinsGuy]

The approval of the contracts is one hell of a mystery to me. That part I'd have to research further to understand because it makes no sense.

Heh..I picture your guys bringing the salaries in to get them approved. The approver is out to lunch so there is some intern standing there and

Snyder: I need these approved!

Intern: but but sir I don't have authority to approve these. S

Snyder: Look do you like your job? If you do you'll appove these!

Intern: Ok sir

Snyder: Thats more like it!!!

hahha...sorry I am not trying to make light of this I just don't have an answer.

That's because you know what the answer is, and the answer doesn't make Mara look good.