Top 10 Places People Are Moving To (Forbes)

[mike42]

California is so poorly run, I'm surprised a California city made the top 10.

[deejaydana]

California is so poorly run, I'm surprised a California city made the top 10.

Well I haven't read the article but Riverside has typically been a slightly less expensive alternative place for people to exile to after they've exited Orange, LA and San Diego counties. It unfortunately doesn't have many positives to recommend it compared to those other areas.

[Predicto]

Unfortunately it's only getting worse in California. The overall picture is of any increasingly bifurcated state, on one side is people with wealth and on the other side is a steadily growing welfare state. The middle class is both shrinking and loading up the Uhauls for more liveable states to live in. SF is a study in the sublime and the absurd. California has really gone downhill dramatically in the past 20 years.

Actually, it's the past 34 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califor..._13_%281978%29

[youngchew]

Denver baby! Nicest place ive ever lived. Big time transplant city.

My wife and i are from the dc area, our neighbors on one side are from tampa, neighbors on the other side of us are from Milwaukee.

[Hubbs]

It really is economic. But not the economics of "opportunity" and "less regulation" and those other buzzwords. It is the economics of cheap flat land at work. Paul Krugman explained it years ago, back when he predicted the housing bubble in 2005.

Kind of easy to "predict" something in 2005 when you were calling for it in 2002.

[deejaydana]

Actually, it's the past 34 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califor..._13_%281978%29

There are a few things contributing to California's economic malaise but I doubt Prop 13 is its main driver. The Unions are completely intractable and willing to take the state down the drain so long as they can keep their unrealistic pension plans. The open door attitude towards immigration only serves to financially tax the system further. Quite simply the state spends far more than it takes in. Repeal Prop 13, an initiative designed to check the governments greedy hands, and California would spend every last dime of that income stream as well. It's what they're good at. They should repeal the Dill's Act that Moonbeam signed into law in the 1970's providing collective bargaining rights to govt employees. The state is now doomed, single party rule will only speed its irrelevancy.

[pjfootballer]

I moved out of the West Palm Beach area for that very reason. Too crowded in South Florida. Pompano, Ft. Lauderdale, Miami and WPB are like one big cluster**** of traffic. The west side in Tampa/St. Pete is getting crowded also.

[zoony]

There are a few things contributing to California's economic malaise but I doubt Prop 13 is its main driver. The Unions are completely intractable and willing to take the state down the drain so long as they can keep their unrealistic pension plans. The open door attitude towards immigration only serves to financially tax the system further. Quite simply the state spends far more than it takes in. Repeal Prop 13, an initiative designed to check the governments greedy hands, and California would spend every last dime of that income stream as well. It's what they're good at. They should repeal the Dill's Act that Moonbeam signed into law in the 1970's providing collective bargaining rights to govt employees. The state is now doomed, single party rule will only speed its irrelevancy.

I think this is absolutely true. Prop 13 has become the Trotsky of California politics.

Didn't I just hear about a retired California Police Chief who was suing to get his pension raised from $150k annual to $400k or something like that?

Keep on keepin' on, California.

[TheLongshot]

I think it is too bad Cali has gone down the drain. I spent the first 10 years of my life there and I always wanted to go back, but it just isn't practical.

I wouldn't mind moving to the pacific northwest, tho.

[hockeysc23]

I wish I didn't have so much family in this area. I'd love to Colorado in a heartbeat if I could have a steady job. It was beyond gorgeous, everyone was outside and doing something active. There were 4 cars on the road and my sister in law was complaining of the Colorado traffic. I am sure it is not as rosy as the last time I went (March) but ... sure seemed like heaven on earth.

[mcsluggo]

Unfortunately it's only getting worse in California. The overall picture is of any increasingly bifurcated state, on one side is people with wealth and on the other side is a steadily growing welfare state. The middle class is both shrinking and loading up the Uhauls for more liveable states to live in. SF is a study in the sublime and the absurd. California has really gone downhill dramatically in the past 20 years.

hmmmm... predicto set down roots and bought his house in california about 20 years ago....





on the flip side, any scientist will state: correlation does not equal causation.... but without believing it

[youngchew]

everyone was outside and doing something active. .

Yep, most people here are really active. I think Colorado has been "the fittest state" in the USA for 3 or 4 years in a row. very low obesity rate.

A ton of pretty, friendly, in-shape women in yoga pants walking around Denver...

[twa]

A ton of pretty, friendly, in-shape women in yoga pants walking around Denver...

trying to find someone to keep them warm?

[Prosperity]

California has a lot of problems prop 13 and the public unions (especially police) are the two biggest. Really I don't see how anyone can justify prop 13, it inflates housing prices for the benefit of older home owners and ****s over everyone else. Its like the ideal baby boomer law. Everyone that got there's by virtue of being around earlier is happy, who cares about everyone else.

[youngchew]

trying to find someone to keep them warm?

Most likely...I really, really wish I knew though...

I was married when I moved here.