Don't tell trees that Global Climate Change is a Myth!

[twa]

we have reduced co2, and should be able to increase the trend utilizing NG(as well as reducing other problems)
probably not going to have much luck getting other countries to do so

the accuracy of my point matters about as much as my opinion

[Jumbo]

the accuracy of my point matters about as much as my opinion

One of your more valid observations.






I'll be here at least another week.

[PeterMP]

we have reduced co2, and should be able to increase the trend utilizing NG(as well as reducing other problems)
probably not going to have much luck getting other countries to do so

the accuracy of my point matters about as much as my opinion

We still use way too much CO2 as compared to the rest of the world:

"Carbon dioxide (CO2) is the primary greenhouse gas emitted through human activities. In 2010, CO2 accounted for about 84% of all U.S. greenhouse gas emissions from human activities"

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/ghg...gases/co2.html

And going to NG doesn't necessarily help depending on emissions at NG mining sites, especially because NG is a more powerful GHG and over time is converte dinto CO2.

I think NG can certainly help the situation, but there is going to have to be pressure on companies to do it manner that greatly minimizes emissions from the sites.

**EDIT**

And other have countries have lowered emissions too:

http://www.google.com/publicdata/exp...de%20emissions

http://www.google.com/publicdata/exp...de%20emissions

Partly, this was the result of the recession, but part of is directly related to environmental related policies.

**EDIT 2**
If we'd even do some relatively small things like try and minimize packagin waste the way that Europe has we'd use a lot less CO2, save ourselves money, and have fewer land fills (which would help save us money)

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&...&bpcl=39314241

There are so many SMALL things we could do that its laughable until you think about it much, and then it is depressing.

[btfoom]

What about this tree?

[twa]

One of your more valid observations.






I'll be here at least another week.

At least?

Face it,you are a addict

[Thiebear]

China's carbon emissions grew 9.9 percent in 2011 after rising 10.4 percent in 2010 and now comprise 28 percent of all CO2 pollution compared with 16 percent for the United States.

India's emissions grew 7.5 percent last year versus 9.4 percent growth in 2010,

while emissions in the United States and the European Union fell 1.8 percent and 2.8 respectively in 2011.

Though i bet if you took the outsourcing back Europe and US would be even at best?
The world pays off the countries willing to do it for them.

[PeterMP]

Though i bet if you took the outsourcing back Europe and US would be even at best?
The world pays off the countries willing to do it for them.

Gas mielage in the US has gone up. It is even higher in most of Europe so it could have more.

But that's a real reduction in CO2 output.

Over the last 20-25 years, Europe has continually changed small things like packaging waste (as cited in the previous post).
That leads to a real reduction of CO2 output.

Certainly, some of it has been out sourced, but some real things are being done that we can point to an say that helps minimize CO2 output.

More so in European countries than the US.

[Thiebear]

What's the myth part?
The article said all trees are a sip away from
Dying wet or dry due to c02?

[Burgold]

The article was one study out of the four we discussed for the radio report.

[JMS]

Of coarse global climate change is a myth... All you have to do to see how stupid global warming is, is to review the 10 hottest years on recorded since 1880 as provided by NOAA.




The 10 hottest years of the last 132 years recorded by NOAA all occurred in the last 14 years.
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...stats_sup.html

[Thiebear]

I'm pretty sure everyone understands we are in
The 8th warming period within the last million years.
All of them happening on a regular schedule.

Are we referring to this one being pointier than the others due to mankind?
(this being the myth: man made this one worse
With the extent under review)


Or that we don't want global warming anymore
So we should stop it by cleaning up and asking others to do the same.

[JMS]

I'm pretty sure everyone understands we are in
The 8th warming period within the last million years.

Are we referring to this one being pointier than the others due to mankind?

"Everyone knows" that global warming is a cyclical event playing out over 1 million years? Resulting in the 10 hottest years on record occurring in the last 14 years?

Is that what the anti global warming movement has devolved into....

I don't know anybody who has ever claimed that, other than you and likely some obscure right wing and or petroleum industry sponsored research you are about to site.

[Thiebear]

Normally warming periods get hotter as they go along yes.
JMS: when did it start?

[RedskinsFan44]

I'm pretty sure everyone understands we are in
The 8th warming period within the last million years.
All of them happening on a regular schedule.

Are we referring to this one being pointier than the others due to mankind?
(this being the myth: man made this one worse
With the extent under review)


Or that we don't want global warming anymore
So we should stop it by cleaning up and asking others to do the same.

Do you honestly believe that humans can not influence the climate with their actions? The atmosphere and the earth are not infinite. It would seem like you could dump a little mercury in the ocean with no ill effect but eventually you start seeing it in the tuna you harvest.

[alexey]

Normally warming periods get hotter as they go along yes.
JMS: when did it start?

http://climatesight.org/2011/01/11/i...natural-cycle/

A common misunderstanding of the climate system characterizes it like a pendulum. The planet will warm up to “cancel out” a previous period of cooling, spurred by some internal equilibrium. This view of the climate is incorrect. Internal variability will move energy between the ocean and the atmosphere, causing short-term warming and cooling of the surface in events such as El Nino and La Nina, and longer-term changes when similar cycles operate on decadal scales. However, internal forces do not cause climate change. Appreciable changes in climate are the result of changes in the energy balance of the Earth, which requires “external” forcings, such as changes in solar output, albedo, and atmospheric greenhouse gases. These forcings can be cyclical, as they are in the ice ages, but they can come in different shapes entirely.

For this reason, “it’s just a natural cycle” is a bit of a cop-out argument. The Earth doesn’t warm up because it feels like it. It warms up because something forces it to. Scientists keep track of natural forcings, but the observed warming of the planet over the second half of the 20th century can only be explained by adding in anthropogenic radiative forcings, namely increases in greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide.

Of course, it’s always possible that some natural cycle exists, unknown to scientists and their instruments, that is currently causing the planet to warm. There’s always a chance that we could be totally wrong. This omnipresent fact of science is called irreducible uncertainty, because it can never be entirely eliminated. However, it’s very unlikely that such a cycle exists.
...
A natural cycle that fits all these fingerprints is nearly unfathomable. However, that’s not all the cycle would have to explain. It would also have to tell us why anthropogenic greenhouse gases are*not having an effect. Either a century of basic physics and chemistry studying the radiative properties of greenhouse gases would have to be proven wrong, or the natural cycle would have to be unbelievably complex to prevent such dramatic anthropogenic emissions from warming the planet.

It is a interesting way to flip the argument... if you say that this is a part of a natural cycle, then you would have to explain why we are not seeing anthropogenic climate change.