Should the Skins look for a Dual-Threat backup QB?

[darrelgreenie]

The main thing we disagree on is whether or not a suitable backup can be acquired.

Fiction. You've changed and altered your position several times. Mine has been constant.
The discussion has never been about whether a suitable back-up can be acquired. That is another fiction you invented. My position which can be easily quoted is:

Yeah, I think it makes sense for our 3rd QB to have a similar running skillset as Robert Griffin.

or here:

It only makes sense that in addition to Cousins there should be a QB on the roster that is a decent passer that also has the ability to be an effective runner.

and again here:

Maybe this will help you understand my point better: To continue running this offense it makes sense to have a QB on the roster that is a capable runner in addition to being a capable passer.

etc...

The main point of a debate/argument is to persuade the other person. I've offered several examples, facts, history and statistics to support my opinion and why I believe it. When an opinion is supported by evidence it becomes a little more than just one person's opinion man. I'm just looking and waiting for one example from you to actually support YOUR opinion. If you have nothing to support your opinion/statements, then how am I supposed to go along with anything that you've said. What I'm really getting at is why do you believe what you're saying if you cannot come up with a single example of a viable option as a backup zone-read quarterback who is a capable passer? To continue to believe an opinion with no reasoning behind it is as you said a strawman argument and makes no sense to me.

this entire quote is an example of why its tedious to have interent message board discussions most of the time. YOU consistently have either (a) gotten my clearly stated view wrong or (b) purposefully construct false representations of my view which proceed to argue against (strawman)

Finally you are not the judge of what represents or does not represent a viable back-up QB.
A viable zone-read back-up could be any of the numerous draft prospects and current NFL back-ups mentioned in this thread. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they wouldn't work anymore then your liking Cousin's ensures he'll become/remain a viable back-up.

Cheers

---------- Post added January-8th-2013 at 09:50 PM ----------

In conclusion: Our current offense features and makes excellent use of zone-read to yield a highly productive offense. Becaue zone-read is a major part of the offense it only makes sense to have a zone-read capable back-up QB on the roster.

Cheers

[PigskinPhat]

The skins don't need another qb. What the Skins nation needs is to move away from the "RG3 save us mentality" and get back to Mano-e-Mano smash mouth football. That is the Redskins individual players need to beat their matchups. When RG3 went ineffective, it seemed like a bizarre nightmare, the outcome predictable. Seattle smelled blood and slowly stalked the Skins. Decades of losing might be the source of this. What this franchise needs is already there, a breath of fresh air in RG3 and Alfred, they just need the mentality and the swagger that this team is not all about RG3. We will beat you up and enjoy it attitude.

[moondog]

I have not changed a single position. I'm talking about what we disagree on within our positions. You continue to say we need something without offering any semblance of a solution whatsoever. Simply saying we need something but offering no valid way to acquire it or showing any evidence in any way, shape or form that it can be done is ridiculous. Unless you can give me one guy, either through FA or the draft that even looks like someone who would deserve a spot on our roster, than your whole position is invalid and pointless. You clearly have no intention or desire to offer any support for your argument so I'll leave it at that.

[HeluCopter29]

The skins don't need another qb. What the Skins nation needs is to move away from the "RG3 save us mentality" and get back to Mano-e-Mano smash mouth football. That is the Redskins individual players need to beat their matchups. When RG3 went ineffective, it seemed like a bizarre nightmare, the outcome predictable. Seattle smelled blood and slowly stalked the Skins. Decades of losing might be the source of this. What this franchise needs is already there, a breath of fresh air in RG3 and Alfred, they just need the mentality and the swagger that this team is not all about RG3. We will beat you up and enjoy it attitude.

I agree with this a lot.

But I do think a dual threat back up QB would help as well, but for different reasons.

Essentially we need both.

[darrelgreenie]

I have not changed a single position. I'm talking about what we disagree on within our positions. .

Here you again with inaccurate and false claims. You are inventing a position that I've never stated.

In my previous post I quoted my exact position. Show me where have I said that I have a solution? There is a quote feature. Use it and stop with the false claims. But, I can already tell you won't find a quote where I claim to have a solution. You know why? Because it is impossible to predict outcomes/to predict the future and therefore I don't do it.

You continue to say we need something without offering any semblance of a solution whatsoever. Simply saying we need something but offering no valid way to acquire it or showing any evidence in any way, shape or form that it can be done is ridiculous.

Negative. I've stated the means. But, i will repeat them for you: There are 3 ways to acquire talent in the NFL: draft, FA or trade. Why is this concept so hard for you to grasp? These are the valid means to acquire talent in the NFL.

Unless you can give me one guy, either through FA or the draft that even looks like someone who would deserve a spot on our roster, than your whole position is invalid and pointless. You clearly have no intention or desire to offer any support for your argument so I'll leave it at that

lol, 'unless you can give me one guy'...lol C'mon dude get a grip. I don't have to give squat because you aren't the authority on QBs. You do realize that right? I could care less which QB you consider 'deserving' of a roster spot.

My position that we should have a zone-read capable QB on the roster has absolutely nothing to do with your opinion about the QB prospects. The notion that you are the judge of QB worth is 'ridiculous', lol.

As I said in my previous posts any one of the people mentioned in this thread via draft or FA could be the potential solution. As much as you would like to believe you are the judge of which QB is capable and which QB is not, you are not. All you have is your opinion same as me. I'm not going sit here and argue back and forth: I think QB X is a viable option and you'll say QB X isn't a viable option. Spare me, that's too childish a way to have a discussion in my book.

No team knows how any prospect or FA QB will pan out. You know why? Because you cannot predict the future.

And especially since the style of offense we run is new, there aren't any QBs other then Griffin, Wilson, Kaepernick, Newton and Tebow that have run this type of offense in the NFL. Therefore any QB will be a projection. Therefore we can't even go by prospects previous productoin because we haven't seen them in this offense.

[Bonez3]

Tebow...and I'm serious

[HogNose]

Tebow...and I'm serious

We have enough problems with the media circus......adding Tebow to it would be horrific.

[That Redskins Fan]

take denard and i am die hard buckey fan or logan thomas if he declares.

you can never have enough qb's considering our head coach does not know how to protects his investment iE RG3

[Bonez3]

Tebow for every designed read option. This way teams still have to dual scheme. Guy was only a media circus because of the Jets. Add him to a class act like RG3, I think he would be reasonable fit. He has to understand he will never be starter, but you make that clear up front.

[SkinsGuru]

I've been asking myself this very question, and have begun to breakdown QBs during my annual hobby scouting work. QB Nick Florence, who replaced RG3 at Baylor and ran a very similar offense, can probably be had in the 6th or 7th round of the draft. Make no mistake though, he's no RG3, but if the coaches see something there they can work with, they can take a look.

Other options include QB Matt Scott, who will probably be around in the 3rd or 4th round. The offense he ran under Rich Rodriguez at Arizona had him making many of the same decisions as our zone read.

Then there's a Collin Klein, who was in the hunt for the Heisman at Kansas State. He can likely be had in the 5th or 6th.

There are some options... none of them have RG3's combination of accuracy, sound decision making, arm strength and athleticism... but they do know how to run variations of the zone read.

[rumplestilskin]

Tebow...and I'm serious

The only way I would want him here is if he plays TE as well as the other "QB type" stuff he does. I doubt he would want to be here but you never know considering Jesus is already on our roster.

[Gamebreaker]

As we saw with Joe Webb last Saturday, there are a limited number of athletes that have the type of athleticism of RG3 and can throw. And even less that can be a quarterback.

---------- Post added January-9th-2013 at 02:24 PM ----------

Tebow for every designed read option. This way teams still have to dual scheme. Guy was only a media circus because of the Jets. Add him to a class act like RG3, I think he would be reasonable fit. He has to understand he will never be starter, but you make that clear up front.

This offense would be a good fit for Tebow. But my problem with him as a QB is his throwing mechanics are horrendous. RG3 throwing with a torn ACL/LCL on his plant leg had better accuracy than Tebow does fully healthy. He turns his wrist in a 180 degree angle in the middle of his throwing motion. It destroys his ability to be more than a 46% comp. passer.

[Reaper 21]

A cheap third stringer that can win games in a pinch should not be used in actual gameplay unless emergency. T. Jackson fits the bill.

[rumplestilskin]

Tebow for every designed read option. This way teams still have to dual scheme. Guy was only a media circus because of the Jets. Add him to a class act like RG3, I think he would be reasonable fit. He has to understand he will never be starter, but you make that clear up front.

I was thinking about that also but when the defense knows that the player is no threat to pass I think it makes the read option way less effective because every time Timmy would come in they just bring everybody up. He would have to be able to prove he can burn the D a few times I guess and those samples are few and far between.

[moondog]

Annnnnd I'm done with ya Greenie. You're ridiculous dude. My point is that you DON'T have a solution, not that you ever claimed you had one. You saying we should have a zone-read backup QB but offering no evidence of ones that are available or any type of solution is incredibly lame.

Draft, FA and trade? Wow, didn't know that's it worked. Saying you want something but having no plan to get it or zero evidence that it's going to work is not even an argument. At least other posters listed players that they would target or tried to support an argument. Contribute something to your argument rather than FALSELY and repeatedly claiming I'm making false comments. ****, tell me you think Tarvaris Jackson would be a good option, give a reason why, and here's how we're going to acquire him.

Find some guys in college that you think fit the profile and will be available later in the draft. I don't know maybe throw out EJ Manuel or someone less known that will go lower at least. Damn dude just do SOMETHING to support your argument. Probably 2 pages worth of posts and you offer nothing to carry on a sensical or logical argument.

Sweet, I get it, you think we should have a backup zone-read QB. Given the thread title, you probably could have simplified that response to the word "yes." That's about all you've contributed to this thread.