I want Haslet to stay

[rk3025]

Agree we should keep Jim HASLETTand he is signed for next year when Shanny gave him an extension.

[pjfootballer]

Nah, one game doesn't change my mind. I want him gone.

[Duckus]

I will let Wee-Bey take care of this.

[HailToTheRedskins14]

So coaches coach players up, I see no evidence in Hasletts resume where that can be documented. Maybe the numbers you put forward were not as bad as they would seem, but that is because of what he inherited and where it went afterward. And remember that quote, "The worst in the History of the NFL". Hell it is hard to keep your job at that level if a plethora of things go wrong and you underperform, but the worst in History? The pass rush last night was again unimaginative at times for as much as Gruden wanted to pontificate otherwise. The coverages allowed numerous big third down completions. I think the stew is turned and new meat won't fix it.

Hey I won't even argue that Haslett should be back next year. I don't think he did that bad last year, but our D has been awful this year, personnel or not.

And I don't know what Gruden was watching on Monday night. I think I heard him talk about Haslett doing a great job.

[A Skinhead in Saints Land]

If Crennel is fired we'd be stupid not to go after him.

[skins island connection]

Hey I won't even argue that Haslett should be back next year. I don't think he did that bad last year, but our D has been awful this year, personnel or not.

And I don't know what Gruden was watching on Monday night. I think I heard him talk about Haslett doing a great job.

HA ! Gruden doesn't know **** from wild honey; he obviously isn't going to bad-mouth anyone on t.v., and I figured he would skirt around the defensive woes, but for him to say that was flat out hilarious.

Haslett stays another year, and the defense doesn't improve or gets worse, if thats possible, then its another year of everyone bitching and moaning. Just get rid of him at season's end and get someone; ANYONE else besides him. He has a track record, and it isn't good..

[SWFLSkins]

Haslett is a handsome man and his defenses are damn sexy.

---------- Post added December-5th-2012 at 05:36 PM ----------

I will let Wee-Bey take care of this.

http://mlkshk.com/r/11D

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/u...ir978/whoa.gif

OMG, how the two of us posted the same damn gif is a mystery that will never be solved, great minds I guess, sorry mods for quoting but that is unreal, WHOA indeed.

[Painkiller]

I got so mad after the Bengals game I started a thread basically endorsing his firing as soon as possible. I've softened up a bit on him over the course of the season, because I put the angry fan aside to try to objectively look at all the variables. While I'm not ready to say I "want" him to stay...I could understand why at this point if he is retained. Considering what he has to work with, and considering how bad things were before the bye, you can't not give the man credit for the much improved play of his unit over the last 3 weeks.

For me, let's see how this last month plays out. If the defense continues to trend upward...I'd be inclined to agree with you. Give him one more year where hopefully everybody is healthy, and we pick up a few more pieces in the draft and free agency. For me, my concern is the only improvement I really see is the defense is holding the opposing offense to Field Goals now instead of Touchdowns. Very definition of "bend don't break." I have concerns whether or not this will continue. With 4 games left, we have to see.

[Mahons21]

Are the Redskins really a historically bad defense or is this statistic indicative of a change in the NFL?

A few facts to be taken into consideration:
1 - The Redskins aren't even currently the worst team in the league, it's TB
2 - The Packers and the Patriots both set historical lows in this statistic last year, the other two teams that ranked 29-30, were the Saints and Super Bowl Champion Giants. So four of the eight teams that were left in the playoffs at one point all had "historically bad defenses." In fact two of them even played in the superbowl.
3 - Big play offenses that can attack, often create a game that is going to yield higher passing totals. Whether it is because of more series, or the opponent being forced to keep up. Either way, their defenses stats will look worse than they really are.
4 - The worst four teams in surrending passing yards this year all have top 10 scoring offenses.
5 - 3 of the Redskins 4 worst defensive games (by passing yards) have been wins over Dallas, New Orleans and Minnesota.


Here are the records of the 6 worst passing defenses in NFL history:
2012 Packers: 15-1 (the same packers that have future HOF DC Dom Capers) I assume the logic, he had a historically bad defense so he should be fired applies to Capers as well...
2012 Patriots: 13-3
1996 Falcons: 9-7
2006 49ers: 4-12
1987 Jets: 10-6
1982 Chargers: 10-6

Seems to be a fairly strong correlation between high powered offenses, and defenses surrendering high passing yard totals.

This is ES, and I'm firmly aware I'm not going to change anyone's mind on Haslett, but I felt their needed to be some context given to this statement that plays on repeat. I guess it's better then when members were saying more resources given to the defense than the offense, which is just plain factually incorrect.

[#BgMase76#]

Only if he continues to stay creative and mixing it up.

[Skins24]

Haslett should have been gone two years ago. The day after he was signed.

One half doesn't erase everything he's done since he's been here (which is...nothing. He's done nothing since he's been here.) He took a top 10 defense into the gutter and has shown no signs of even remotely lifting it up out of it.

Us making the playoffs doesn't change anything either (a la '99). I hope.

[darrelgreenie]

Are the Redskins really a historically bad defense or is this statistic indicative of a change in the NFL?

I think part of the problem is people, once again, using the wrong stats. Yards is usually the measure most people quote for defense when it should be points.

[SKINSFAN87]

I disagree, I think that the skins should go a different direction at coordinator. Haslett doesn't get the most out of his players and his defensive schemes in games can seriously be questioned. You don't see alot of emotion on the sideline from him, which I believe follows down to the players. Time to move on

---------- Post added December-5th-2012 at 09:04 PM ----------

If Crennel is fired we'd be stupid not to go after him.

This I agree with, he would be an excellent choice.

[nfl guru]

His record speaks for itself, he is not very successful at managing NFL defenses so I'd fully hope we consider replacing him with someone like Rex Ryan. If you don't address this issue now, RG3 will continue his ascension and eventually we'll be right back to questioning why we havent changed coordinators.

[RedskinsInFebruary]

Are the Redskins really a historically bad defense or is this statistic indicative of a change in the NFL?

A few facts to be taken into consideration:
1 - The Redskins aren't even currently the worst team in the league, it's TB
2 - The Packers and the Patriots both set historical lows in this statistic last year, the other two teams that ranked 29-30, were the Saints and Super Bowl Champion Giants. So four of the eight teams that were left in the playoffs at one point all had "historically bad defenses." In fact two of them even played in the superbowl.
3 - Big play offenses that can attack, often create a game that is going to yield higher passing totals. Whether it is because of more series, or the opponent being forced to keep up. Either way, their defenses stats will look worse than they really are.
4 - The worst four teams in surrending passing yards this year all have top 10 scoring offenses.
5 - 3 of the Redskins 4 worst defensive games (by passing yards) have been wins over Dallas, New Orleans and Minnesota.


Here are the records of the 6 worst passing defenses in NFL history:
2012 Packers: 15-1 (the same packers that have future HOF DC Dom Capers) I assume the logic, he had a historically bad defense so he should be fired applies to Capers as well...
2012 Patriots: 13-3
1996 Falcons: 9-7
2006 49ers: 4-12
1987 Jets: 10-6
1982 Chargers: 10-6

Seems to be a fairly strong correlation between high powered offenses, and defenses surrendering high passing yard totals.

This is ES, and I'm firmly aware I'm not going to change anyone's mind on Haslett, but I felt their needed to be some context given to this statement that plays on repeat. I guess it's better then when members were saying more resources given to the defense than the offense, which is just plain factually incorrect.

Interesting info and stats. I actually think it's kind of strange how high-scoring offenses and low-yielding defenses almost never occur at the same time on the same team. I guess there really is something to the way adjustments are made in how offenses determine the play of opposing offenses, which will of course affect defensive stats.