I want Haslet to stay

[RonArtest15]

I don't. I want Rex Ryan here after he gets canned by the Jets.

[The Robert Griffin Experience]

Here are the records of the 6 worst passing defenses in NFL history:
2012 Packers: 15-1 (the same packers that have future HOF DC Dom Capers) I assume the logic, he had a historically bad defense so he should be fired applies to Capers as well...
2012 Patriots: 13-3
1996 Falcons: 9-7
2006 49ers: 4-12
1987 Jets: 10-6
1982 Chargers: 10-6

Seems to be a fairly strong correlation between high powered offenses, and defenses surrendering high passing yard totals.

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The problem is that you're lumping the Redskins in with those teams. We're a highly effective offense, but we're not truly a quick strike offense yet like those teams are. We get huge plays from time to time, but we don't consistently get huge chunk plays through the passing game like the Packers and Patriots. If anything, we're more of an effective ball control offense with a big play element.

This of course ignores the fact that the Packers were #19th in points allowed, and the Patriots were 15th, and the Packers suffered from significant injuries on the defensive end.We are currently 23rd, and the times we've held point totals low are due to an effective ball control offense on our part (as well as playing Nick Foles).

Furthermore,


Also, you have to look at plays the defense has to defend:

Plays Against Per game:

2012 Redskins: 49
2011 Packers: 65
2011 Patriots: 66.5

We're not jumping out to leads big enough that teams are forced to pass against us.

And then, why is it impossible to have a high powered passing offense and a good defense? The Falcons, Broncos, and even Texans manage it (all top 10 passing offense), as well as the Packers, who have returned to closer to what one would expect from a Dom Capers defense.

Ultimately, what is the upside to retaining Haslett as opposed to bringing in another 3-4 coach? Sure in theory, the coach could be worse than Haslett. But they could also be far better. Right now, Haslett's performance is mediocre at best even if you consider the injuries.

[Mahons21]

Like I said, I don't expect to change anyone's mind. I don't want to get in a back and forth over this, but I will entertain this post. And again, I'm not trying to change your mind, you seem firmly in the fire Haslett court and that's your right, I just disagree.

The problem is that you're lumping the Redskins in with those teams. We're a highly effective offense, but we're not truly a quick strike offense yet like those teams are. We get huge plays from time to time, but we don't consistently get huge chunk plays through the passing game like the Packers and Patriots. If anything, we're more of an effective ball control offense with a big play element.

Last I had heard RG3 lead the NFL in TDs of 20+ yards or plays of 20+ yards, either way, there's a fair amount of evidence that contradicts this point of yours.

This of course ignores the fact that the Packers were #19th in points allowed, and the Patriots were 15th, and the Packers suffered from significant injuries on the defensive end.We are currently 23rd, and the times we've held point totals low are due to an effective ball control offense on our part (as well as playing Nick Foles).

The point of the post was put the the line "The Redskins are going to have a historically bad defense" in context. Since that line is based on yards, I based my stats on yards. Nothing was ignored.


I don't know how much weight your point on Nick Foles holds. He's started 3 games, the Eagles point totals in these games have been 6, 22, and 33. Versus the Redskins, Nick Foles has a 0 TDs and 2 INTs, and versus the other teams he's started against 1 TD, 0 INTs.

Furthermore,
Also, you have to look at plays the defense has to defend:

Plays Against Per game:

2012 Redskins: 49
2011 Packers: 65
2011 Patriots: 66.5

Yes that's two of the 8 teams I listed. I'm not going to take the time to look at the stats for the others, but I'd find a larger sample size more relevant. I'm not saying you are, but when you pick two of the eight teams, it seems like you're cherry-picking to prove a point.

We're not jumping out to leads big enough that teams are forced to pass against us.

That's your opinion. How do you explain the fact that 3 of the 4 highest yardage totals (via passing) have come against games where the Redskins have held 2 score lead in the 4th qtr?

And then, why is it impossible to have a high powered passing offense and a good defense? The Falcons, Broncos, and even Texans manage it (all top 10 passing offense), as well as the Packers, who have returned to closer to what one would expect from a Dom Capers defense.

It's not. I didn't suggest that it was. I suggested that the offenses made the defenses look worse than they really were statistically. That could very well be the case for the teams you've listed above, and they're actually better then their stats indicate.

Ultimately, what is the upside to retaining Haslett as opposed to bringing in another 3-4 coach? Sure in theory, the coach could be worse than Haslett. But they could also be far better. Right now, Haslett's performance is mediocre at best even if you consider the injuries.

Continuity plain and simple, and trust me when I say it can get worse. I was one of few Rex Grossman supporters on this website, and all I ever heard about Beck was "how much worst could it get?"

One 10 sack game later, and that tune wasn't hummed so loudly anymore.

[XtremeFan55]

What about Monte Kiffin? Recently resigned from USC to go back to NFL. Raheem Morris worked under him and Kyle worked on staff back when Gruden was head coach.

Then the Redskins can have their own Dick LeBeau....

Someone is going to get Monte...so why not us...we have coaches he is familiar with.