RG3 has a higher Total QBR and and Quaterback rating than Luck
He has played at a higher level more consistently than Luck
He has more TD and way less turnovers
He's played well in prime time and against Divisonal opponents.
He's played well at home and on the road.
He is more efficient and dynamic
He is more accurate
He is tougher to gameplan against
Luck has been playing great and he will be great, but he makes way too many mistakes
He just isnt on the same level as RG3. Hell, Russel Wilson has been playing better than Andrew Luck.
Russell Wilson is not in the argument, because he doesn't have the "shine" that Luck and RG3 have. It was Griffin vs. Luck for the heisman, for the number one pick, etc. The media is still feeding that beast. Should Wilson be in the conversation? Absolutely. The come back he orchestrated in Chicago was unreal.
Wilson won't win it, but make no mistake...he is a baller. I watched him play a ton in college, and he is doing the same thing in Seattle that he did at NC State. He extends plays, values the football, throws well on the run, and he's smart. He's the guy that doesn't wow you with measurables, but at the end of the day...he wins football games.
I'm so sick of the argument...it was fun in the beginning, but now it's all over the place. Let's give it a few years before we decide anything...I think both are amazing and both will succeed.
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honestly I don't find rooting against them. I honestly can't see that Luck can be in the conversation for ROY with RGIII and even Willson in there.
Andrew Luck was the obvious choice for the heisman too. We all saw how that played out.
Agreed, any qb picked so early has huge expectations. With that said, anyone who thinks because Luck throws so much means the Colts are relying on him more are just not grasping the whole picture. Our run game is predicated on not only RG3's passing but also his running ability. Morris has been a revelation, but make no mistake, without RG3 our offense would simply not function. Even if we had a guy just as efficient at passing, our play action passes and option plays just would not be effective and likewise our regular passes and runs would suffer as well. You can't say that about Luck in Indy.
Of course Griffin doesn't hold a candle to Luck. That would be a terrible thing! Robert's not an arsonist or a pyromaniac. Imagine holding a candle to someone? Why? To burn them!
Good for Griffin. He shines in a light all his own.
A team that went 15-1 last year is a creampuff?
Look, you of all people, should know better than to make a comment like this. Cam Newton got even more praise last year than Luck's getting now and his team only won 6 games. And both guys inherited 2-14 teams, if I'm not mistaken.
Luck is getting most of the praise he's getting because he took a 2-14 team and has made them into a playoff contender. You guys can knock the schedule he's played all you want, but it's irrelevant when you consider how bad a team it was he was coming to. He has 8 wins in 12 starts. Cam Newton, the guy who had the greatest rookie season a QB has ever had, has 9 total wins...in 20 starts.
Luck and Griffin both inherited terrible teams and are doing amazing things. I don't understand why so many people feel they have to discount Luck's achievements. It's not a knock against Griffin to give Luck credit for what he's done.
It's far too early to say who's gonna win ROY. And, honestly, even if Griffin doesn't win it, it won't bother me all that much. I'm content (for now) just knowing that the Redskins are relevant again, after all these years.
Last edited by Bubble Screen; December-4th-2012 at 03:25 PM.
Beating Green Bay is a good feather in his cap, but when you have 3-9 Tenneessee twice, 3-9 Jacksonville twice (he did lose to them), 2-10 KC, 3-9 Cleveland, 6-6 fading Minnesota, 5-7 Miami, 5-7 Buffalo, lost to the NYJ (was creamed) and 4-8 Detroit, that doesn't look as daunting. I know we've lost to Carolina, the Rams and have beaten the same Minnesota team he has. But we've had to play Pittsburgh on the road, 11-1 Atlanta, 7-5 Cincy, 6-6 TB, 5-7 New Orleans on the road (who can still put up points), NYG on the road and not to mention that pound for pound, the NFC East is always a tougher game then the AFC South. But you just can't go on one win AT HOME against Green Bay as the basis for them not having a creampuff schedule. I know I can't prove it, but Indy tanked to 2-14 IMO.
Last edited by pjfootballer; December-4th-2012 at 03:34 PM.
Redskins 2013 Opponents:
Home- Dallas, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Detroit, Chicago, San Francisco, Kansas City, San Diego
Away- Dallas, NY Giants, Philadelphia, Green Bay, Minnesota, Atlanta, Denver, Oakland
You are 100% right in everything you said. That wasn't a 2-14 team they had last year, one year removed from being a 10 win team for what 12 years?
They had to try hard to get that #1 pick and they did. Now they are playing their asses off and getting wins against a weak schedule and Luck is putting up his numbers against weak pass defenses too.
Last edited by Momma There Goes That Man; December-4th-2012 at 03:40 PM.
Exactly, he just says something so you will react to it and it gets him page views/listeners. Typical shock jock. Because he is in sports he can get away with being wrong. On the flip side, most people in sports will have a difficult time talking extensively about all players because if you think about it, how can they watch all the games. They cant, there isnt enough time in the day for them to do that. So everyone to some extent is going to be talking about stuff they didnt fully watch. Same with us and andrew luck, you watch a few games of the person when you happen to get the chance and then you try and extrapolate some sort of guess or conclusion from the statistics of how they're playing
Colin Coward says a lot of things against the grain to get people talking and keep himself relevant... but, you are correct in your Luck assessment... Colts throw a lot... he;s going to get yards... he throws well, but he;s mistake prone. I imagine it'll decrease as the years go on, but Coward is off his rocker on purpose.
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